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PostPosted: 19:22 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Abandoned Bike. Reply with quote

Dont normally post threads but anyway.

I have a Speedfight scooter that has been sitting in my workshop for 6 months now. I've spoken to the owner 4 times and 4 times he has said he will collect. The last call I had with him was over 3 months ago.

The number does not seem to exist anymore so I am unable to contact them.

There is a bill outstanding on the scooter. It came in as a 'put this through an MOT' job that turned into a £300-400 bill to make it roadworthy. I advised the owner to pay the rather small bill for the work I had already done, cut his losses and buy another scooter. This was agreed and he said collection would be within the next week....

Is there anything I can do to find out the address of the registered keeper without contacting the DVLA? After speaking with them once before over this, I was just told to 'wait for the owner to make contact' which is of no help what so ever.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apply for a log book, the registered owner will get a letter, then they will contact you.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wheel it to the nearest lamppost and chain it to the post with the kind of chain they use on bath plugs...... you needed the space in your shop and secured it with a chain, not your problem anymore.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Pete apply for the log book. I'm not sure but I think there is a statute of limitation on leaving vehicles somewhere particularly when there's outstanding bills/money on them.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe parking firms can get hold of this information legitimately.

Without being one it's possible (I have no idea) that you may be able to apply on the same grounds.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd start adding storage fees (backdated to two weeks AFTER you finished the work) at whatever is the going rate (£5 per day?), then when the bill for work and storage comes near the value I'd apply for a V5 and flog it as a fair settlement of a debt.

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PostPosted: 20:38 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
Any friends of friends you can pass a message on through?
How about checking through MID if it's still insured (not that it makes much difference I'd guess)?
In your situation I'd probably try and find a email address for dvla and send a query explaining the situation, and see what they say.
What's it worth, as a figure? You say the scoot owes you £300 to £400, I'd start adding storage fees (backdated to two weeks AFTER you finished the work) at whatever is the going rate (£5 per day?), then when the bill for work and storage comes near the value I'd apply for a V5 and flog it as a fair settlement of a debt.


The bill total comes to less than £100. I did the guy a favour by giving him the advice of not going ahead. Although with the state of the scoot, it wouldnt be worth £100.

I may try to send off a V62 form to request the log book. Have to see if its possible to swerve the £25 fee. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:
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Any friends of friends you can pass a message on through?
How about checking through MID if it's still insured (not that it makes much difference I'd guess)?
In your situation I'd probably try and find a email address for dvla and send a query explaining the situation, and see what they say.
What's it worth, as a figure? You say the scoot owes you £300 to £400, I'd start adding storage fees (backdated to two weeks AFTER you finished the work) at whatever is the going rate (£5 per day?), then when the bill for work and storage comes near the value I'd apply for a V5 and flog it as a fair settlement of a debt.


The bill total comes to less than £100. I did the guy a favour by giving him the advice of not going ahead. Although with the state of the scoot, it wouldnt be worth £100.

I may try to send off a V62 form to request the log book. Have to see if its possible to swerve the £25 fee. Crying or Very sad

£100? It's been dumped, I thought you meant £700 - £1000, or more.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it runs has not swap it for my gp
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PostPosted: 21:24 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
If it runs has not swap it for my gp


The crankshaft needs replacing, as do all the body panels, both tyres, front and rear discs, pads, battery, most of the gearbox.....

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PostPosted: 21:59 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know my uncle's ended up taking vehicles in payment for repairs on them over the years, not sure if that's with the owner signing over the V5 or not.

I'd take it as in payment of the debt, apply for logbook.
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
I'd start adding storage fees (backdated to two weeks AFTER you finished the work) at whatever is the going rate (£5 per day?)....

AFAIK storage charges can't be added retrospectively. I believe that notice has to be given prior to introducing such charges.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, having a V5 in your name only makes you the registered keeper, not the legal owner, although as Pete said, the letter asking for permission for a change from the DVLA, might elicit a response from the owner.

You could always get shot of the thing and keep £100 and the invoice for the work in a drawer; if the owner ever shows up, tell him it got nicked, then show him the cash (from the insurance payout Wink ) and the invoice and offer him the difference.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
Of course, having a V5 in your name only makes you the registered keeper, not the legal owner, although as Pete said, the letter asking for permission for a change from the DVLA, might elicit a response from the owner.



So even if i had the V5 and the bike in my possession does that not still make me the legal owner? Laughing

I'm not overly bothered about the bill being paid, I just want the thing gone with no comeback on me. Which is why forcing a response from the owner is the best way in my mind.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've had this a few times at the garage i work for. Punters not paying cars not worth much each time we have kept the car in lieu of payment.

I'm not sure on the legal side of any of it I think the police needs to be involved for it to work but its happened to us in the past and we've ended up keeping them taking any parts worth while off it then scrap them.

Obviously do it the proper way but it can be done.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:
Shaft wrote:
Of course, having a V5 in your name only makes you the registered keeper, not the legal owner, although as Pete said, the letter asking for permission for a change from the DVLA, might elicit a response from the owner.



So even if i had the V5 and the bike in my possession does that not still make me the legal owner? Laughing

I'm not overly bothered about the bill being paid, I just want the thing gone with no comeback on me. Which is why forcing a response from the owner is the best way in my mind.


Nope, as I'm sure you know, it clearly says across the top of every V5C, "THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP".

I've also been in this position a few times and I've tried, unsuccessfully, to get a definitive answer as to when the property can legally become yours, in lieu of payment.

You might think it's after a certain amount of time, or when the bill (including storage charges) far outweighs the value of the property, but there doesn't seem to be anything in black and white.

As for legally scrapping it, in theory this should no longer be possible without a V5, but I'm sure there are still unscrupulous scrappies out there.
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:


Nope, as I'm sure you know, it clearly says across the top of every V5C, "THIS DOCUMENT IS NOT PROOF OF OWNERSHIP".



Yea I know that one.

Ill have to try sending off a V62 to see if it sparks a response.

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PostPosted: 22:59 - 17 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

His name wasn't Mark Roberts was it ? (one for the older members there....)
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 18 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know anything about it, but surely putting your name to it in the form of a v5 makes it more problematic later on?

I think you can apply for the details via a 2.50 charge for these sort of circumstances. If not, ring local police station as you think you might have been given a stolen bike to work on, they'll check it and get in contact with the owner for you. He'll collect it or he won't. If he doesn't you've got a record and can flog it on ebay for whoever gives you 50 quid to take it away.

This is just speculation on my part though. I wouldn't like to put my name to a shitheap that some twat abandoned on me.
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PostPosted: 02:33 - 18 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine did something similar once. He owned a storage place and one of the containers had been abandoned with debts racking up. He went to small claims court and got a court order to be able to open it up and everything inside was declared as his in lieu of payment.

There was a motorbike inside too. Shocked

This doesn't help you too much as you don't want the thing, but that's legally how you go about owning it.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 18 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Second post down, hope its of some use
https://www.ukbusinessforums.co.uk/threads/disposal-of-customers-uncollected-goods.276630/
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 18 Jan 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

b422063 wrote:
A friend of mine did something similar once. He owned a storage place and one of the containers had been abandoned with debts racking up. He went to small claims court and got a court order to be able to open it up and everything inside was declared as his in lieu of payment.

There was a motorbike inside too. Shocked

This doesn't help you too much as you don't want the thing, but that's legally how you go about owning it.


You would have thought with a storage unit you would have something in the contract in the event of non-payment rather than having to go to the small claims court.
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