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JodieWodie
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PostPosted: 19:19 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Wearing no helmets... Reply with quote

As a follow on to the 'why we wear leathers post'...
that reminded me of the kids round here....
on the nearby estate....
doing 40/50..shorts, t-shirts...NO HELMETS ! Shocked

Obviously illegal.....but, do they care ?

I remarked to my Fiance this evening...I knew a woman....she lived a few streets away..her daughter was in my year in secondary school...(I was 13 at the time).

This girls older sister had a boyfriend...he had a powerful bike...older sister came to Mums house for a visit..."Hey Mum...take a spin on the back....just up the road and back"...

Helmet too small....so...no helmet... Shocked

Boyfriend went too fast round one corner...skidded...smashed into lampost.....Mum's hair got caught in wheel...
partial decapitation Sad

That was the end of those girls' Mother.

The police should visit estates more to crack down on this kind of stuff...
believe me...I see it DAILY.
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

See my post on the 'why we wear leathers' thread.

Also interesting to note that the ACU (who licence racers) do not allow children below a certain age to race in full-face helmets due to the high risk of spinal injury from head decceleration (exascerbated by the weight of the helmet) if they have a crash.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why does partial decapitation sound worse than decapitation? Confused
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you see kids rideing motorbikes/scooters sans helmet then its stolen, no question about it whatsoever, it is stolen, anyone rideing arround wthout one would be in serious poo with the police as soon as they get seen...
Its bizzare anyone would even consider it Confused Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Natural selection waiting to happen...
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

ProXimaCore wrote:
Why does partial decapitation sound worse than decapitation? Confused


Yeah it does ! Confused
UGH

I guess that is why women should tie their hair back/ or plait it and put it in a tube too Sad

Wouldn't like it ripped out at high speed Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 19:48 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw a lad today...on one of those mini bikes....going along a busy road!!!!

No helmet...nothing....just whizzing along!

Shocked
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 31 Jul 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

A cruiser passed me the other day, and upon a second glance I noticed he was wearing a bandana. Again, I was working in Dublin and saw someone riding a scooter in a cap.
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can fall off a pushbike at 40mph and you don't have to wear a helmet on one of those.

Personal choice again. If I wanted to ride my bike down to Tesco, which is all 30 and 40 limits, I should be allowed to.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride a trike and don't have to wear a helmet.
I can wear one if i wish, i just choose not to.
I have more visibility and am able to hear a lot more of whats going on around me
I feel that it should be down to personal preference wether you wear a lid or not.
Are you aware though that crash helmets are not designed to with-stand a head on impact of over 20 to 30 mph!
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest I would like to ride without a helmet. Obviously on some roads/rides I would wear one, if only for the reason over 30mph I cant see as the water starts to stream out of my eyes. Laughing

I'm with bendy, if I want to wear no helmet I shouldn't have to. Same as leathers, I'm well aware of all the risks etc and it should be my decision. If I come off I have to live with my choice.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Odie wrote:
I have more visibility and am able to hear a lot more of whats going on around me


Visability yes, but as soon as you get any speed up the wind noise without a helmet is terrible (or certainly is for me), far worse than with a helmet on.

Odie wrote:
I feel that it should be down to personal preference wether you wear a lid or not.


Agreed

Odie wrote:
Are you aware though that crash helmets are not designed to with-stand a head on impact of over 20 to 30 mph!


More than that even for a direct impact on a solid object, but anything over about 45mph it would not matter as your neck would give up. But then cars are only crash tested for an impact at about 35mph.

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PostPosted: 14:10 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with some of the replies here that it should be up to the riders preference, but I do agree with the Helmet law as it has saved lives since it was made compulsory.

I also am infavour of pedal cyclists having to wear helmets by law too, as it would cut down on fatalities and injuries.

After all laws are there to protect us, if it weren't for the laws murder would be allowed and other things too Shocked.
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

CraigZZR wrote:
I do agree with the Helmet law as it has saved lives since it was made compulsory.


And cost them I would bet where people may have broke there necks in an of where they normally wouldn't of.
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough, it should be personal preference. But, a far greater number of people have survived with a lid than without.

There`s an awful lot of people that are still here that wouldn`t otherwise be.

We`re a strange breed, as bikers the majority of us know someone whose had a half decent crash, yet you still get people that are of the opinion that it won`t happen to them!

I spend alot of time picking up the results of RTA`s where that clearly wasn`t the case!
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PostPosted: 14:36 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

CraigZZR wrote:
I agree with some of the replies here that it should be up to the riders preference, but I do agree with the Helmet law as it has saved lives since it was made compulsory.


Would you care to back that statement up with a statistically valid and impartial study that you have read?

CraigZZR wrote:
I also am infavour of pedal cyclists having to wear helmets by law too, as it would cut down on fatalities and injuries.


Agreed, bicycle halmets are lighter weight and the likleyhood is that crashes will be within the helmets effective protection zone (15mph)

CraigZZR wrote:
After all laws are there to protect us, if it weren't for the laws murder would be allowed and other things too Shocked.


Or a cynic might say that laws are there to pander to uninformed mass oppinion in order to ensure politicians stay in power.

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PostPosted: 15:29 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

CraigZZR wrote:
I agree with some of the replies here that it should be up to the riders preference, but I do agree with the Helmet law as it has saved lives since it was made compulsory.


Dubious. Remember that before they were made compulsory around 80% of people wore them anyway.

CraigZZR wrote:
I also am infavour of pedal cyclists having to wear helmets by law too, as it would cut down on fatalities and injuries.


It might, or it might increase injuries. I suspect that quite a few of the cycle helmets on sale with aerodynamic extensions on the back will make snapping the riders neck far more likely.

CraigZZR wrote:
After all laws are there to protect us, if it weren't for the laws murder would be allowed and other things too Shocked.


Laws against murder protect others. There is no place for laws to protect people from themselves.

All the best

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PostPosted: 16:15 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let them not wear helmets, but should we be sympathetic to them when they come off and fracture their skulls? Give them NHS treatment for being idiots? I suppose people pay their taxes and will get NHS treatment for being an idiot however they do it though. Protecting people from themselves isn't as important as protecting other people from them. Making it more obvious when thieves are riding bikes is a good thing though.

The thing I don't get is why people are so willing to risk serious head injury just to exercise their 'freedom'. Rolling Eyes Most people aren't only going to affect themselves though, they've families to leave behind as well.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

McHaggis, some people might argue that the same reasoning applies to riding motorbikes in general if they percieve it to be dangerous. E.G. Why should people be allowed to go out, crash their bike and get free treatment on the NHS?
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liono wrote:
. E.G. Why should people be allowed to go out, crash their bike and get free treatment on the NHS?


I'm one of those people. Thing is, it's not free and you hope you never use it. Pay your taxes, get your reward, but why subject your family to it, and why be so foolhardy and place a lower value on your own life?
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

i reckon it should be a free choice, just on principle that people should be allowed to do what they like

i'd wear one all the time tho i reckon, same as i always wear one on my pushbike now, since i started riding a motorbike you are somewhat more aware of the risks
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only people who shouldn't wear helmets are those who cannot due to religion (don't think that happens), those who are registered insane and nudists... As there is no point in wearing a helmet if your not going to wear anything else. Laughing

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PostPosted: 19:29 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

rsooty wrote:
The only people who shouldn't wear helmets are those who cannot due to religion (don't think that happens), those who are registered insane and nudists... As there is no point in wearing a helmet if your not going to wear anything else. Laughing

Sooty


Sikhs are exempt from wearing helmets as they have to wear a turban.
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
Let them not wear helmets, but should we be sympathetic to them when they come off and fracture their skulls? Give them NHS treatment for being idiots? I suppose people pay their taxes and will get NHS treatment for being an idiot however they do it though.


Let them get pregnant, but should we be sympathetic to them when they suffer serious complications. Give them NHS treatment for being idiots. I suppose people pay their taxes and will get NHS treatment for being an idiot however they do it though.

Point being, where do you stop?

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PostPosted: 21:38 - 01 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

mchaggis wrote:
Let them not wear helmets, but should we be sympathetic to them when they come off and fracture their skulls? Give them NHS treatment for being idiots?
Look at smokers. Rolling Eyes

/runs for hills...
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