Is it dodgy?

[Remoulay]

Just bought a 1996 CBR600F (in pristine condition ) to ride in July with an A2 licence. Originally looking at the range, I didn't realise that mine is apparently 100HP, compared to the 96HP I was looking at.

The A2 restriction is 47 bhp max which would be over a 50% restriction and therefore not suit the licence.

( One website says this:
Max Power: 100 hp / 74.6 kW @ 12000 rpm
Max Power: 90 hp @ 11500 rpm
Is that just the same thing? )

I guess what I'm asking is:
Am I in, and how much, trouble?
I'm so annoyed with myself...
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[wr6133]

You can't legally restrict and ride it.

Get caught the bike will probably be seized and you will be getting done for something.

Odds of getting caught if not riding like a cock? Probably low.

[mentalboy]

You are in no more trouble than if you were to exceed the speed limit by double, than by derestricting a 50, than by riding uninsured, etc, etc. (Different penalties may apply!)

The likelihood of it coming back to bite you, probably fairly limited. It would take a copper with a reasonable knowledge of the bike restriction laws and bikes generally (so fairly unlikely ) or for insurance companies to wise up to it, which I can see happening eventually (shouldn't be too tricky to come up with coding that recognises licence types and a list of applicable machines per category). Get caught though and neither of those scenarios bode very well for your licence/pocket
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[Beehive Bedlam]

Personally I wouldn't risk it the bike does not even fall into the A2 category so you will be done for driving other wise in accordance with licence if caught.

Buying a bike what does fall into the A2 category and not restricting it is the safer option IMO yes you can still get done but I am sure a bit of paper saying it is restricted will see most people off.

OP - Sell the bike and buy one what falls into the A2 category.

If you plan on riding it anyway I wish you the best of luck.

[Iain.]

Computer says 98bhp, 50bhp and 34bhp depending on target market on a 1996 model. Autodata book from 2006 says absolutely nothing, but notes that the '88 model made 85bhp, and the later '01 model made 109bhp.

Good news is that at 185kg you can restrict it to the maximum permitted 47bhp.

However.

https://www.honda.co.jp/news/1996/296113.html

From Honda's 1996 press release, 69ps @ 11,500rpm - so that'd be wrong for all the information. Can't be PS then...and if we change it to KW it'd put it at 92.5bhp, which is a figure we've been quoted elsewhere.

Interesting, but all complete nonsense. Truth is I don't have a clue.

Three options really;

1. Sell it because a piece of paper said that some of them made more power than you can have. (not that your particular bike has ever actually been tested)

2.Take to dyno. Get a power run, which will show less than 100hp because it's a nearly twenty year old sportsbike. Restrict it. Stop worrying.

3. Just ride it, and stop worrying about restricting it at all.

I've never ridden a restricted bike despite 2yrs on a 33bhp restriction. I diddn't die, no kittens were killed and I even got to ride a few litre bikes...and nobody got killed then either.

HTH

[Rogerborg]

[Remoulay]

So I have

[wr6133]

I doubt "Dyno shows it's currently only X BHP at full power" would wash if the worst comes to worst. They would wave the book power at you.

Otherwise you could gimp any bike you want, dyno it, un-gimp it, restrict it and ride. The rules would be meaningless.

[Remoulay]

Gimp it? Uhhhh what does that mean?
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[mentalboy]

[wr6133]

[Iain.]

As I understand it;

Law says bike cannot produce more than 95 horsepower.

My defence;

Bike does not produce more than 95 horsepower.

I can prove my bike does not produce more than 95 horsepower.

There is one method of testing engine horsepower, the same method I have and that method of testing shows that my motorcycle produces leess than 95 horsepower.

The case for the prosecution?

The manufacturer claims the bike was designed to produce more than 95 horsepower, however never actually tested this specific bike.

Would love to see that go down. Really I would

[monkeybiker]

If it was me and I could get it insured then I would be tempted to just ride it and say fook it.

But it's not my decision.

[wr6133]

[Remoulay]

[wr6133]

[Nash GT]

Yup is pretty much a case of sell it, hope you don't get pulled or buy another bike to run along side until you are legally able ride the CBR
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Suzuki GSF600N

[Remoulay]

Policeman: You can't ride this bike on your licence. Explain?
Me: wr6133 told me to...

This is so depressing, another two years on the van van. Buying two bikes within 6 months is not gonna happen (I am but a lowly student ) I'm still happy it's in my possession. At least.
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[Beehive Bedlam]

Sell the bike wait until you get an A2 then buy a bike which falls into the A2 category rather than keep a bike you can't legally ride for a long two years.

[wr6133]

[Remoulay]

When I say it's pristine I'm not exaggerating and it was a fantastic price too. I haven't taken any pictures but trust me when I say that it's too good a bike for someone else to have it

aaaaaand it's my first 'big bike'.

...I expect to marry it someday.
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[Stewie]

Pro's - you get to ride an old 600 ( all be it a nice one )

Con - if you get caught riding it, fine, points, higher insurance cost, bike impounded, release cost, etc......

Smart camera + DVLA datebase = rumbled

A dyno test will prove and stand for nothing as it's the BHP at the wheel, and your requirement is for the BHP at the crank, but the irony of it is that an old 600cc has probably lost enough BHP to be under, but its what the book says.

Keep it as a track bike and get an A2 bike for the road.

[johnsmith222]

I'd be tempted to risk it and give it a go. It's a 96 CBR600, so it's not like you're trying to pass off an R6.

[.Chris.]

Tricky one this. It's one of those situations where the risk of getting caught is incredibly small, but the consequences of doing so could be fairly severe. If you haven't already had a car licence for a while (and therefore fall under the 2-year 6-point probationary period) then you'd most likely end up having your licence revoked if you got done for it.

In that regard, it's little different to riding an unrestricted bike on a 33bhp licence, which a huge number of people did back in the day. Few got caught, those that did tended to be as a result of riding in a manner obviously suggestive of a power output greater than 33bhp, or after an accident in which the police got involved (and even then, often because the rider admitted the bike wasn't restricted when questioned). I might add that the po-po have not been unknown to read this forum in the past, so if you do go ahead and ride it, I wouldn't advertise the fact on here.

One thing you could do is to write to Honda UK (including your frame, engine and registration number) and ask what the 'official' power output of the bike was when new, if indeed such figures were ever kept. If Honda cannot provide an official figure, and the bike isn't making more than 70kW now, I don't see how they could mount a successful prosecution based on the bike's original power being too high.

[CR88]