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Randal1991
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 09 Feb 2015    Post subject: Yiben 125cc scooter (Chinese gy6) rear wheel spins when idle Reply with quote

Hello my scooter yiben 125cc Chinese scooter when it on its stand in idle the rear wheel spins quite fast until it's warmed up. but then still spins when warm and then I take it off the stand and sit on the bike the bike shakes quite bad. when I move the bike backwards there's a tight spot don't no if that's my problem other than that the bike rides fine just this shaking part at lights drive me mad thanks if any can identify the problem
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 09 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd hazard a guess that it's it's idling too fast, or some genius has dicked with the variator rollers because racebike.

You'll get more help if you tell us more about the bike, like its age, condition, what maintenance (if any) you've done on it, whether you're the first owner, and how red a powerband you've fitted.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 09 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bike is a yiben meiduc 2007 I brought it about 4 months ago it's only had one owner and I have got 2 service receipt from 2008 and 2009. since I purchase the bike its always shaked and rear wheel goes round when in idle but now seams to be getting worse. All I have done is changed the carb to see if that was the problem but still hasn't helped so you think it the idle and mixture screw
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 09 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be a number of things. First thing to do though is set the carb up properly, just Google "gy6 125cc carb settings" or something similar as you have changed the carb you need to know that is set up correctly (stock) before you go tinkering with other things. My 80cc GY6 has a similar issue that I think is actually knackered clutch springs (5 years old, 13k miles and meant for the original 50cc lump), I just live with it other than stuttering a bit at take off it doesn't bother me.
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 09 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Randal1991 wrote:
so you think it the idle and mixture screw

Mixture?

No, I just said it could be idling too fast. You'll want no more than 1500rpm.
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PostPosted: 17:22 - 09 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It could just be idiling too fast. The way these things work is you have a pulley continually turning a drive belt that runs around a cleverly designed variable diameter spring loaded pulley on the rear wheel. Above a certain speed the belt clamps to the pulley and the rear wheel turns. As you vary the throttle input the pulley diameter changes so you get a lower ratio under acceleration.

Anyway if adjusting the idle speed doesn't help then you'll need to take off the driver belt/pulley cover and check those bits for wear or damage.

IIRC drive belts only have a guaranteed working life of about 4000-8000 miles.
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 10 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I set up the carb via YouTube bike sound better but wheel still moves and the lower the idle the more the bike shakes. so I went to andy pagin approach I took the side cover off and noticed the belt as been smashing the top and bottom of the case that was making a weird clicking sound while idling. in the process of taking the belt of and putting it back on I snapped the fan pulley because of the variator nut I haven't got a air compression gun anyways I decided to walk it to the garage to use there compression gun and buy a new fan pulley put it all back together and I ask the bloke at the garage about me wheel moving while idling and he says it's an automatic clutch the wheel should go round in idle I told him me mate got a brand new sym jet 4 and is don't is reply was because mine is old is that true
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 10 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

how fast does the wheel turn now

a bit of turning is ok should be able to hold it with a toe on it to stop it

if the scooter moves when on the ground without throttle then the scooter is idleing too fast
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 10 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
The way these things work is you have a pulley continually turning a drive belt that runs around a cleverly designed variable diameter spring loaded pulley on the rear wheel. Above a certain speed the belt clamps to the pulley and the rear wheel turns.


Does it really? Laughing

That's where my clutch setups gone wrong then!

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Engine spins variator, belt attaches variator to said spring pulley you mention which has the clutch bolted to it and it free wheels round the shaft on a pair of giant bearings.

The centre shaft is splined, and connects to the gearbox. The clutch bell slots over the top of this, thus leaving the bell placed over the clutch shoes.

You rev the motor, variator spins rear pulley, rear pulley spins clutch, shoes move outwards, bite into the bell and rotate the back wheel.

...if you get belt slip, then you'll destroy a belt very very quickly and go nowhere. The reason theres a spring on the rear belt is it allows a greater range of transmission ratios Variator (front sprocket) gets bigger as transmission pulley (rear sprocket) gets smaller.

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(I'd guess your problem comes from worn clutch springs, the vibration is likely the shoes flapping about. - replace the whole clutch at cost of around a tenner and it ought to fix it. Idle should be set at around 1500-1800rpm)
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 10 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would also go with the clutch springs being worn. It is far easier to replace the whole clutch than mess around swapping new springs in.

The gearbox pulley system on a scooter is bolted directly to the crankshaft. If the engine turns, the gearbox also turns. Once the engine is turning the gearbox fast enough it fires the clutch springs out and engages drive to the rear wheel through a final drive reduction gearbox.

Although, it is not uncommon for alot of chinese built scooters to have wildly high idle speeds. GY6 engines seem to come set with an idle speed of about 3000rpm. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 11 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:
GY6 engines seem to come set with an idle speed of about 3000rpm. Laughing


That, is insane. Shocked

That's about the point my OEM chinese clutch started to bite!
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