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PostPosted: 14:20 - 18 Feb 2015    Post subject: Royal Enfield coming back home Reply with quote

https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-industry/royal-enfield-to-open-british-factory/26299.html

Apparently they plan to open a factory in Leicestershire, it's later described as a "smaller satellite centre" so I'm guessing they'll assemble Indian parts kits but a homecoming of sorts.
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 18 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

VD comment copy-pasta for your convenience.

That clever fellow Rogerborg wrote:
I'm guessing a DTI (maybe even DFID) funded administration office to smooth the passage of Euro 4 emissions testing, and give credence to a refreshed 'designed in Great Britain' claim.

That's if it happens. Remember the 750 and litre models promised for 2013? The "Enfield apparel" announced last year? Dust in the wind.

Oh, Rog, Y U so cynical? Y U NO want UK bike industry to flourish?

Well, I do. I welcome any investment that gets people working on motorcycles in the UK. Even if it's UK money going to Indian companies to fund an office for a few years. It's all bike work, it might fan the embers.

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PostPosted: 15:10 - 18 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets hope it's more than that though I suspect you may be right Roger.
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PostPosted: 15:20 - 18 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the UK gov. gonna launder money there? That's the only logical reason I can see with bringing old brands back home. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 18 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
Is the UK gov. gonna launder money there? That's the only logical reason I can see with bringing old brands back home. Thumbs Up


They don't need to they just openly steal it.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 19 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect the factory will make special versions, similar to the Woodsman variant made by Watsonian Squire when they owned the import licence.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 19 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alans Snackbar wrote:
I suspect the factory will make special versions, similar to the Woodsman variant made by Watsonian Squire when they owned the import licence.


Article today suggests it won't even be that good. Just some development centre (It's buried within the article) https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/royal-enfield-parallel-twin-coming-next-year/26302.html
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 19 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they ever do any "development" there beyond entertaining Whitehall and Brussels mandarins, I'll eat one (1) of my lids.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 24 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Today, I read, the RE is going to produce a 750cc parallel twin cylinder and a new 410cc single cylinder engine with OHC and 4 valves per cylinder heads. They say there will be at least 4 new motorcycles for next year and their aim is to gain 50% more in sales. So, they finally did it and stepped into the 1970's, I guess. Smile

RE got Pierre Terblanche (Ducati designer) to work on the bikes, which I think is not what a RE fan would like to hear.

All that should be done in the development center located in the UK.

Original link: https://www.motorkari.cz/clanky/moto-novinky/royal-enfield/royal-enfield-uvede-pristi-rok-radovy-dvouvalec-30735.html
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 24 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they manage to put out and affordable (!!!) twin I would be very interested.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 24 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
They say there will be at least 4 new motorcycles for next year [...] All that should be done in the development center located in the UK.

Royal Enfield UK were on Visor Down saying that it's too late for the UK.... errr... 'development' centre to have any input into the next tranche of bikes.

And Royal Enfield were saying back in 2011 that there would be 750 and litre twins in 2013, so I wouldn't hold your breath.

Enfields are by any measure over-priced in the UK. Performance, technology, build quality are all well below par. Their merit is that they offer something unique.

But that means an Enfield is not a Bonneville, and trying to move into that market will invite direct comparisons. I very much doubt they'll play out in Enfield's favour.

If their fancy pants new designer and bonkers sales target implies that they're going to try and do something other than retro styled bikes, then Hannigan help them, as they'll be going up against the Axis bikes with their pot-metal mend-and-make-do bikes.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 24 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should stop just talking about making stuff and make this.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uggqyRisV5g/UP6ZrMTwiRI/AAAAAAAAXLI/MiMevWvlC-E/s1600/Musket_side_view.jpg

They could employ the guy who has already designed it and licence his designs. They already make most of the parts required.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 24 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
They should stop just talking about making stuff and make this.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-uggqyRisV5g/UP6ZrMTwiRI/AAAAAAAAXLI/MiMevWvlC-E/s1600/Musket_side_view.jpg

They could employ the guy who has already designed it and licence his designs. They already make most of the parts required.


Yes, I've seen this project before and I was impressed. It's called Musket 1120, not sure if the same motorcycle.

13,000USD and you have to give them your Enfield, so they can customize it.
I'm not gonna bother you with googling, here's their link: https://www.musketvtwin.com/

https://img.motorkari.cz/upload/images/cache/clanky/2015-01/20150110201223-30416_jpgresize_1000x830__type_jpg_.jpg

specs wrote:
4 stroke wet sump ohv 59 degree V twin.

Crankcase: Custom designed, cast and machined alloy 'Musket' cases.
Can be machined to accept either 350cc OR 500cc top ends.

Bore: 70mm/84mm

Stroke: 90mm

Cubic capacity: 692cc/998cc

Compression ratio: 7:1/6.5:1

Output (estimated): 36bhp/44bhp

Cams: Stock Enfield Bullet cams/ACE cams/Hitchcocks cams. A lift of upto .350 beyond the 1.000 base circle will drop in.

Ignition: twin contact breaker points, twin stock coils.

Oil system: Wet sump, two stock large size 'return' pumps, both working as feed. 2 separate circuits, 1 for
crank, 1 for heads. Oil flow rate increased 4 times that of stock.

Filtration: Stock Enfield Bullet UCE paper element cartridge.

Carburetors: Stock Enfield Bullet Mikuni licensed Mikcarb VM28.

Crank: Stock flywheels, machined to rebalance, custom crankpin,
side-by-side stock conrods.

Drive side ball bearing: 25x62x17mm (6305)

Drive side roller bearing: 25x62x24mm (2305). 41% wider bearing,
upgraded from stock 305 bearing.

Timing side roller bearing: 25x62x17 (305) upgraded from stock 205
bearing (25x52x15)

Clutch: Stock Enfield Bullet 500 clutch with 5 plate kit and custom
clutch spring plate that holds 9 springs for 50% increase in pressure.

Gearbox: Stock Enfield Bullet 4 speed box OR later 5 speed box can be
fitted. Right side shift OR left side shift is possible.

Final drive sprocket. 700cc: 20 teeth. 1000cc: 22 teeth.

Final drive ratio. 700cc: 4.25 1000cc: 3.86

Frame: Stock Enfield Bullet frame with stretched top tube.

Wheelbase: With top tube stretch only: 1525mm (60")

Weight (with fuel and oil): approx. 428lbs.

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PostPosted: 14:39 - 25 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've read elsewhere there that one site they are looking at, is in Bruntingthorpe, which means its probably going to be sited on the old airfield, this kind of makes sense as its already in use by other companies as a testing track. (Plus you can watch the old Lightening fighters from the Museum do fast taxi runs down the runway on the bank hols)

The rumors are that its going to be a development center for Enfield to hit emissions compliance regs in place here in the UK and Europe.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 25 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Musket looks a lottta fun but the rocker oil supply pipes
( in stinkwheels pic)
running outside the rear exhaust downpipe bugs the shit out of me
"Tuck it in FFS!" I cry

no one listens.......................
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 25 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Codezombie wrote:
The rumors are that its going to be a development center for Enfield to hit emissions compliance regs in place here in the UK and Europe.

That's my assumption, although they're leaving it a bit late given that Euro 4 comes in next year.

Where are you hearing that from?
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 27 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

had a few days on the single pot 350 when i was in India. wonderful bit of nostalgia but poor by today's bikes
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 27 Feb 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

unclezillion wrote:
had a few days on the single pot 350 when i was in India. wonderful bit of nostalgia but poor by today's bikes

Underpowered, over-weight, over-fiddly, poorly built trash.

And yet. I went to the shops on mine today and I grinned all the way there, had a long "do it foggit" chat with a chap who was coveting it in the car park, and then laughed, actually stood up on the pegs and properly laughed out loud from the sheer joy of being alive on way back. I've never got that from any other bike.

Man is a giddy thing.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 01 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Codezombie wrote:
The rumors are that its going to be a development center for Enfield to hit emissions compliance regs in place here in the UK and Europe.

That's my assumption, although they're leaving it a bit late given that Euro 4 comes in next year.

Where are you hearing that from?


The local news rag.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 01 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just whipped the cylinder head off mine so I can measure it up for valve stem oil seals. Took an hour.

Looks like mk2 Escort valve stem oil seals will probably fit at a stretch.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 01 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I just whipped the cylinder head off mine so I can measure it up for valve stem oil seals. Took an hour.

Looks like mk2 Escort valve stem oil seals will probably fit at a stretch.

Huh. The most fun car engine I've played with was a Kent Crossflow, in a Mk2 and then a T&J Locust. The distributor cap wasn't handed in any way and could be replaced so that it sparked with the inlet valve open, backfiring heroically right through the carb.

That's the kind of 'ah, that'll do, start the production line' vibe that I get from the Enfield.
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