CBT - Who takes it and why - DVSA Report

[Moo.]

Probably a Pea Roast but i couldnt see a thread about it.. was published a few days ago.

Looks to be a report looking into CBT's..

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/compulsory-basic-training-learners-and-trainers-perceptions
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[Llama-Farmer]

Read some of it, don't have the time to read it all now.


Here are a few of my thoughts regarding CBTs though... some are unrealistic ideals, but most have some reasonably sound sense behind them.


- DVSA set a fixed price for CBT. Say £100, (£120 inside Greater London). This stops training schools undercutting each other by spending less than the mandatory 2 hours on the road. People will ideally choose the best local school rather than the cheapest then.
- Motorcycle theory test must be passed before CBT is taken. That way everyone on the road has been independently assessed as having a competent knowledge of the highway code and hazard perception.
- Scrap 28mph mopeds, it's terrifyingly dangerous not being able to keep up with urban speed limits, particularly when cars feel they just have to overtake you cos you're not quite doing 30mph, despite there being oncoming traffic.
- 16+ can ride 125cc, but that is limited to 50mph. Or allow all 50cc to do at least 45mph regardless of the licence status of who is riding it.
- Ban anything smaller than 125cc from a dual carriageway, trunk road, non-single carriageway NSL. A 28mph moped can go on a 70mph A-road, it's fucking madness. Insanity.
- 21 or over can ride 250cc on L-plates if they take an advanced "CBT-Plus", after they already have 2 years experience from their original CBT.
- CBT not required for further training as long as a previous (expired) CBT has been held in the last 5 years, and accompanied by an instructor. What is the point in another CBT just cos the previous one expired 4 months ago, if they are not gonna be riding unaccompanied until they pass their test anyway.
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My 2p


CBT should be a 2 day course but have no expiry date as don't see the point of doing the same course again

PEDs shouldn't be restricted to 28mph but don't think 16year olds should have them

The test should be in one part like it used to be when I passed

I also think that bigger bikes shouldn't be allowed until 25
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[FretGrinder]

Just had a browse through this and it seems that the EU's plan of keeping young people of full powered bikes seems to have worked.

The statistics over 1000 people showed the different age ranges of people taking their CBT -

- 16-18 53 (12%)
- 19-23 57 (13%)
- 24+ 317 (74%)

The majority of people taking their CBT is 24.

I can only think that the younger generation have seen the new laws and decided that it's not cost effective to do 3 lots of tests to get a full bike licence and then moved onto their car licence.
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[Rogerborg]

Thanks, interesting stuff.

The stand out parts for me are:

That 3/4 of trainers think that theory or theory-light passes should be a pre-requisite to doing a CBT.

The majority of trainers claim to provide helmets, gloves, jackets and wet weather gear. Really?

36% of Yoofs admitted to practising "off road" before the CBT. Given the near impossibility of doing this legally, perhaps the B in CBT needs more emphasis.

But... since most younger learners told them to shove their survey, then - statistical handwaving aside - that means that their results aren't really particularly significant for the group that they were most interested in.
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[pinkyfloyd]

Having recently been up to Cardington for the CBT1C assessment this has come as no surprise to me. I've not read it but I kind of know what it is about.

The assessor up there, over the 2 days, spent a good bit of time during the assessment between briefings explaining how the CBT will be overhauled soon and guiding our assessment "lessons" towards the new system. He did not give a timescale but did say within a few years.

As it stands a CBT is a blanket learning exorcise. Should it be new rider, or someone who has been riding before. You get started, go through the motions and end with the 2 hour road ride. With the new system that will be implemented they are aiming towards client centred learning. Each student is treated as an individual.

A good example is. Currently if a student turns up with full gear, and it happens, you still have to go through the whole of Element A and go into details about the clothing, helmets, etc.

Under the new system it will be more a case of "oh you have your own gear, OK why did you chose that style of helmet? Those clothes? Good stuff. Here is how to look after your helmet" Long boring clothing talk done.

It'll be a good thing. The CBT will not be scrapped because it does work, the end result wont be changed but how you get there will be directed more by what the client/student knows rather than what the instructor knows.
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[talkToTheHat]

scrap a2, not going to happen, but agree with MCIA and ACPO to have 'training only' upgrades to licence provided that the training is relevant and not prohibitively expensive.

Also, is the most statisticly significant finding "riders aged 24+ dislike surveys less than younger riders" ?
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[pinkyfloyd]

Perhaps a 2 day CBT/A1 hybrid would be a good thing. I know A2 is pointless. We have a couple of 46BHP A2 bikes and every student who goes onto one (we let them play on A2 bike for a morning before putting them on a full power) agrees that the jump between the 125 and the A2 bike feels bigger than the jump between the A2 and the A bike.

Perhaps the A2 restricted for 2 years and then automatic full would be a compromise between the old 125 restricted and the current 3 classes would be a good idea.
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[RedPanda]

I did my CBT in September. I definitely think a theory test should be done beforehand, I'm fairly clued up with road signs, lanes etc but a lot of young 'uns won't be.

My instructor also said that it will be a 2 day thing soon, or at least he strongly thinks it should be. A lot of time was spent in the classroom but apparently a lot of schools don't do that.
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