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dainesefreak World Chat Champion
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Posted: 12:44 - 12 May 2004 Post subject: What next? Now MAG are joining in! |
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https://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/motoring/news_and_features/story.jsp?story=519665
This is getting ridiculous even MAG are going all anti biker!! Surely the last thing we need is something like this adding fuel to the fire.
IMO MAG should have worded their opinions more carefully, an attack on any biker group only gives the anti-bike lobby more ammunition. I had considered joining MAG at various times but they aren't getting my sub now, talk about shooting ourselves in the foot! |
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cliff Doctor Sicknote
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Posted: 12:51 - 12 May 2004 Post subject: |
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That's obsurd! About 1% of bikers are posh toff businessmen. Theyr'e the ones in Ford Mondeo's that are killing us off!
I say we should join with the Cruiser/Harley riders. That'll show 'em. ____________________ Sweet reggae music. |
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sv_cath Could Be A Chat Bot
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Posted: 12:57 - 12 May 2004 Post subject: |
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Not wanting to play devil's advocate, but I do see where MAG are coming from - bike deaths have gone up and something does need to be done. There are a lot of people getting straight onto 1000cc bikes and killing themselves and giving the rest of us a bad reputation in the process.
We do need to help ourselves by supporting any ideas that make biking safer without restricting the amount of fun we can have!
Just my opinion....
*ducks*
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cliff Doctor Sicknote
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Quack. /me also ducks. ____________________ Sweet reggae music. |
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Bendy Mrs Sensible
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Posted: 13:02 - 12 May 2004 Post subject: |
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"many of the most spectacular pictures are taken with riders going very slowly."
Is MAG being worried that the BABs accidents and reputation will result in stricter laws being applied to all bikers any different to us complaining that ped bois who ride like twats push up our premiums?
Surely all niche groups of bikers would like to see the 'blame' foisted onto another group, so that when there's a crackdown on speeding/noise/fun/breathing they can claim that it's the fault of the BABs/ped bois/commuters/yoof/cruisers... ? |
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Posted: 13:07 - 12 May 2004 Post subject: |
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In my opinion, we are all on two wheels, and we and others should respect that fact and leave us the f*ck alone to do our own thing instead of f*cking about with us and turning us agaisnt each other. If I had it my way, all forms af transport bar Bike and planes would be chopped in for more bikes and planes. Rant over. Sorry. /me ducks one last time. ____________________ Sweet reggae music. |
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Posted: 13:21 - 12 May 2004 Post subject: |
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I'm liking the fact that I ride a Yamaha and its classed as an 'up-market manufacturer' !!!
And does the new R1 really have 180bhp??? ____________________ Colin McRae MBE 1968 - 2007 RIP
Orwell Rolls in his Grave
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Posted: 13:38 - 12 May 2004 Post subject: |
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Load of crap if you ask me.
You should go past my local B&Q car park on a weekend evening. Its full of tossers with heavily modded cars, skidding around in circles, playing shit music too loud and racing each other on public roads. Its all just a cock-measuring contest.
I've never seen bikers behave like that (well, not often)
The only 'bikers' that I think are dangerous (if I were to generalise), are 16 year old 'ped boys. Kids shouldn't be allowed on the roads - nobody under 21 should be (I realise I'm going to piss off certain people here, but there it is). |
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Danny Ask Me About Stoppie School
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, if people want to push their new R1 to the limit and kill themselves thats their choice.
Suicide is legal in this country, whats the difference how you decide to commit it.
Not very politically correct but they can kiss my https://www.asdz68.dsl.pipex.com/smile/moon.gif. |
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Kickstart The Oracle
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Posted: 14:05 - 12 May 2004 Post subject: |
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Hi
There is a big thread about this on VisorDown with a few MAG reps posting, basically saying that the newspaper has done a hatchet job on the MAG statement.
sv_cath wrote: | Not wanting to play devil's advocate, but I do see where MAG are coming from - bike deaths have gone up and something does need to be done. There are a lot of people getting straight onto 1000cc bikes and killing themselves and giving the rest of us a bad reputation in the process. |
Do we need to do something? Deaths per mile travelled on bikes are still falling. The only reason that overall deaths have risen is that the miles travelled by bike have gone up dramatically. Also there is a good case for saying that bike mileages have gone up because people have taken to bikes having got sick of being delayed and photographed in their cars.
Sorry, but at the end of the day people die. You can do your best to reduce the chance of that happening early, and you can eliminate as many risks as possible. If you do that you might land up with a life you do not want to live. However around 700 people died last year on the roads on bikes. Around 4000 died in accidents in the home. I was posted these slightly amusing stats 2 years ago, for comparison:-
Quote: | 3 Brits die each year testing if a 9v battery works on
their tongue.
142 Brits were injured in 1999 by not removing all
pins from new shirts.
58 Brits are injured each year by using sharp knives
instead of screwdrivers.
31 Brits have died since 1996 by watering their
Christmas tree while the fairy lights were plugged in.
19 Brits have died in the last 3 years believing that
Christmas decorations were chocolate.
British Hospitals reported 4 broken arms last year
after cracker pulling accidents.
101 people since 1999 have had broken parts of plastic
toys pulled out of the soles of their feet.
18 Brits had serious burns in 2000 trying on a new
jumper with a lit cigarette in their mouth.
A massive 543 Brits were admitted to A&E in the last
two years after opening bottles of beer with their
teeth.
5 Brits were injured last year in accidents involving
out of control Scalextric cars.
and finally.........
In 2000 eight Brits cracked their skull whilst
throwing up into the toilet. |
There are many dangerous things people do. How about rock climbing? Horse riding? Microlight flying? Pregnancy? Hill walking? Living in a US controlled area of Iraq? Shall we ban all those?
Currently I don't think anything is being done that is really going to have any great effect on accident statistics. The only people being caught are those speeding. All other reported offences are dropping, so those actually driving / riding dangerously are now far more likely to get away with it.
hush wrote: | Experience has a lot to do with safe driving, and whilst as you say 33BHP is may too low for a restriction in certain circumstances, I would still like to see DAS lead to a restriction of at least 6 months to 100BHP. Maybe even a little less. Even if it means that I get limited after I get my licence. |
True, but I would say 100hp is too much and 60hp is probably about right, and a 6 month restriction pointless. The problem with that is you are trying to make people spend £200 restricting a bike for 6 months. Most people don't bother restricting a bike for the 2 years restriction period, so with far less time to get caught I suspect few would bother. Also 6 months says nothing about experience, and would just be perfect time for someone to do their test at the end of one summer, and then buy their unrestricted R1 for the start of the next summer, having not ridden a bike since their test (eg, I did my car test on the 29th of October and did not drive a car again until the following Easter).
All the best
Keith ____________________ Traxpics, track day and racing photographs - Bimota Forum - Bike performance / thrust graphs for choosing gearing
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 19 years, 356 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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