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PostPosted: 21:56 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Removing numberplate when parking in private car park. Reply with quote
I'd like to park my bike at college, but they've introduced a new parking scheme that prevents free motorcycle parking. The new system they have is:

Cars - £40 per year or 50p a day.
Motorcycles- £30 per year (no daily payment option)

I'm coming up to the end of my academic year so I don't want to pay £30 for essentially 3 months parking. I'd be happy paying 50p per day, but I don't like the fact that they're discriminating against students who wish to use a more efficient and less space consuming mode of transport by having an unfair price and no option to pay daily.

I understand some of you will have the opinion that if I don't like the rules, don't park there. But I hate these private parking gestapo companies so I don't mind going against the rules a little.

I was thinking about removing my numberplate when parking, are there any legal implications by doing this? Might have to cover the VIN number too?
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
They might just tow it, depends (I'd be surprised though).

Who enforces this, private parking company? The college?

If PPC, just park there and tell them to spin for any of their fines. If college, tell them to spin for any of their fines.

Complain to SU as to why they're discriminating against a cash strapped student?

Or just park elsewhere for your last three months.

Or just open a dialogue with them and await their response?

Tape two additional wheels to it, pay 50p and claim it's a car?
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
They might just tow it, depends (I'd be surprised though).

Is it a private company?

If so, just park there and tell them to spin for any of their fines.

Complain to SU as to why they're discriminating against a cash strapped student?

Or just park elsewhere for your last three months.

Or just open a dialogue with them and await their response?

Tape two additional wheels to it, pay 50p and claim it's a car?


Yep private company, I was tempted to just get the tickets and ignore, but If they do decide to take it to court I cba with that. Tried negotiating with the SU, but since it's a college and not a university they laugh at or dismiss our opinions. I'd chain it to the railing so they couldn't tow it. Twisted Evil

What also annoys me is that I have purchased the car parking, yet I cannot use my motorcycle instead without paying out another £30. To say they're an academic establishment, they really are a bunch of morons.
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yep private company, I was tempted to just get the tickets and ignore, but If they do decide to take it to court I cba with that. Tried negotiating with the SU, but since it's a college and not a university they laugh at or dismiss our opinions. I'd chain it to the railing so they couldn't tow it. Twisted Evil

What also annoys me is that I have purchased the car parking, yet I cannot use my motorcycle instead without paying out another £30. To say they're an academic establishment, they really are a bunch of morons.


Aaa, is the permit for the car or the person?

What if you had two cars? Would they expect you to buy two permits?

Why not just drive to college for three months? (More chance of getting blowies off the college fitties in that. Thumbs Up )
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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DRZ4Hunned wrote:
Aaa, is the permit for the car or the person?

What if you had two cars? Would they expect you to buy two permits?

Why not just drive to college for three months? (More chance of getting blowies off the college fitties in that. Thumbs Up )


It's a permit for the car, has the reg plate on it. I honestly don't think they can comprehend anything that isn't the norm, so they probably have no idea that it's possible to own two cars. They basically were fed up with people not paying, introduced this new system over half term and they haven't thought it through at all.

I was just hoping it wasn't an offence to remove plates on 'private' property, so I can 'fight the authoritahhh'
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I was just hoping it wasn't an offence to remove plates on 'private' property, so I can 'fight the authoritahhh'

Sadly not. It's one of the very few offences that doesn't require it to be on a road or even a public place. Technically it needs to be attached and unobscured even if your vehicle is in a private garage, SORNed and/or in pieces. Those folk who drape a cloth over their number plate before taking a picture for Gumtree are filthy criminals.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/part/III/crossheading/offences-relating-to-registration-marks

That's a criminal offence though, and who do you imagine is going to prosecute you for it?


On the parking, you'll want to get over to PePiPoo with clear pictures of the car park and the signs purporting to form a contract.
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PostPosted: 22:55 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for that Roger. It's amazing that the pile of red bits in the garage (SORNed, engine in bits, no chance of being a runner for a while) technically needs a number plate.
If the plod ever wanted a lot of 'easy wins' they could go to a body shop and nick the owners for the kitten murdering offence of cars with no legal plate on them?
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PostPosted: 22:56 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
DRZ4Hunned wrote:
I was just hoping it wasn't an offence to remove plates on 'private' property, so I can 'fight the authoritahhh'

Sadly not. It's one of the very few offences that doesn't require it to be on a road or even a public place. Technically it needs to be attached and unobscured even if your vehicle is in a private garage, SORNed and/or in pieces. Those folk who drape a cloth over their number plate before taking a picture for Gumtree are filthy criminals.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/part/III/crossheading/offences-relating-to-registration-marks

That's a criminal offence though, and who do you imagine is going to prosecute you for it?


On the parking, you'll want to get over to PePiPoo with clear pictures of the car park and the signs purporting to form a contract.


That's great thanks! I don't think I'll make it a regular occurrence then Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 22:58 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: Removing numberplate when parking in private car park. Reply with quote
DRZ4Hunned wrote:
I'd like to park my bike at college, but they've introduced a new parking scheme that prevents free motorcycle parking. The new system they have is:

Cars - £40 per year or 50p a day.
Motorcycles- £30 per year (no daily payment option)

I'm coming up to the end of my academic year so I don't want to pay £30 for essentially 3 months parking. I'd be happy paying 50p per day, but I don't like the fact that they're discriminating against students who wish to use a more efficient and less space consuming mode of transport by having an unfair price and no option to pay daily.

I understand some of you will have the opinion that if I don't like the rules, don't park there. But I hate these private parking gestapo companies so I don't mind going against the rules a little.

I was thinking about removing my numberplate when parking, are there any legal implications by doing this? Might have to cover the VIN number too?


Studying maths are we?
3 months = 65 weekdays @50p a day = £32.50
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: Removing numberplate when parking in private car park. Reply with quote
Pete. wrote:
Studying maths are we?

3 months = 65 weekdays @50p a day = £32.50


Touche, but as I'm doing a 4 day week it's 48 weekdays, so £24. Also there's the principal of discriminating against motorcycle users.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
DRZ4Hunned wrote:
I was just hoping it wasn't an offence to remove plates on 'private' property, so I can 'fight the authoritahhh'

Sadly not. It's one of the very few offences that doesn't require it to be on a road or even a public place. Technically it needs to be attached and unobscured even if your vehicle is in a private garage, SORNed and/or in pieces. Those folk who drape a cloth over their number plate before taking a picture for Gumtree are filthy criminals.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/part/III/crossheading/offences-relating-to-registration-marks

That's a criminal offence though, and who do you imagine is going to prosecute you for it?


On the parking, you'll want to get over to PePiPoo with clear pictures of the car park and the signs purporting to form a contract.


so you're saying that every time I put a cover over my bike to keep the bird shit, sun, rain and dust off my bike at night I'm repeat offender. Might as well just throw me in the slammer now
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: Removing numberplate when parking in private car park. Reply with quote
DRZ4Hunned wrote:
Pete. wrote:
Studying maths are we?

3 months = 65 weekdays @50p a day = £32.50


Touche, but as I'm doing a 4 day week it's 48 weekdays, so £24. Also there's the principal of discriminating against motorcycle users.


Honestly, are you really that much of a tight arse?
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 04 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: Removing numberplate when parking in private car park. Reply with quote
RichardCranium wrote:
Honestly, are you really that much of tight arse?


Honestly, yes.
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 05 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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so you're saying that every time I put a cover over my bike to keep the bird shit, sun, rain and dust off my bike at night I'm repeat offender.

No, Parliament is saying that.


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PostPosted: 08:50 - 05 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: Removing numberplate when parking in private car park. Reply with quote
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I don't like the fact that they're discriminating against students who wish to use a more efficient and less space consuming mode of transport

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PostPosted: 09:01 - 05 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: Removing numberplate when parking in private car park. Reply with quote
RichardCranium wrote:


Honestly, are you really that much of a tight arse?


£6 = 6 pints at the student bar.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 05 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
el_oso wrote:
so you're saying that every time I put a cover over my bike to keep the bird shit, sun, rain and dust off my bike at night I'm repeat offender.

No, Parliament is saying that.


One would assume that parliament is saying that only when parked in a (EDIT) place to which the public has access?
Covering a bike on your private property is presumably no different than pushing it into a specially constructed store in the same spot.

However... when parked out on the road I wonder how the scenario could unfold if a vehicle backed into it.
'Honest gov, I thought it was a little old hunchback lady in a poncho not a motorbike, if I thought it might be something that would dent my insurance premiums I'd have paid more attention' Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 05 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
my cover has a clear bit for the numberplate

I put it on backwards sometimes as im a bad arse Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 05 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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One would assume that parliament is saying that only when parked in a (EDIT) place to which the public has access?

No, this particular offence notably does not say that. Which is why I noted it.

That's the principle, I'm not for a moment suggesting that it matches the practice. Every day I ride past some Renault parked on the road with most of the rear plate smashed off; justice doesn't seem to have been served.
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If you want to use the facilities, Pay for them. It appears obvious that the old system has been abused and now they are waking up to the "Sod You" culture that there is these days.

Pay up or don't use.
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 05 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
mentalboy wrote:
One would assume that parliament is saying that only when parked in a (EDIT) place to which the public has access?

No, this particular offence notably does not say that. Which is why I noted it.

That's the principle, I'm not for a moment suggesting that it matches the practice. Every day I ride past some Renault parked on the road with most of the rear plate smashed off; justice doesn't seem to have been served.


So theoretically speaking (as the only people I've ever heard of getting done for number plates are bikers whose plates are too small) a copper could argue that your number plate is obscured when some twunts have boxed in your car when street parked? Or that hiding your vehicle in a garage (sorry, parking... normal people park vehicles in garages Wink ) could be also be construed as obscuring a number plate?
One is, therefore, given to presume that the legislation was drafted by some numpty who probably worked for that other great British f**k up some time in their life, the DVLA!
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andyscooter wrote:
my cover has a clear bit for the numberplate

I put it on backwards sometimes as my bike likes to see out


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Park somewhere free nearby and walk if it's that much of an issue. I don't really think that paying 10 pounds a month is an extortionate amount of money to have a bike parked conveniently near to where you study.

It's only 62p a day. Just ride slightly more economically to make up the money Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:31 - 05 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
andyscooter wrote:
my cover has a clear bit for the numberplate

I put it on backwards sometimes as im a bad arse Laughing


Think I'll do this, prevents the 'ped boi chavas' from sitting on/ shagging it too.

Pyro. wrote:
Park somewhere free nearby and walk if it's that much of an issue. I don't really think that paying 10 pounds a month is an extortionate amount of money to have a bike parked conveniently near to where you study.

It's only 62p a day. Just ride slightly more economically to make up the money Thumbs Up


It's only partially about the money too, but I won't go on about that or Ste will get the violins out.
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