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NJD
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: How long to get comfortable with adjustments? Reply with quote

Hi all,

As the title suggests, how long after you got your first motorbike was it until you had to stop replying on the dealership/shop to set the bike up the way you wanted it?

Personally have no previous knowledge of motorbikes or mechanical background (for bikes that is).

Inspired by the fact that I attempted my first rear (drum) brake adjustment, easy enough.. just did it to tight so need to slack it off a little tomorrow.

A major problem for me is the clutch adjustment.. I had a horror story where I attempt to tighten it (adjustment screw away from handlebar) and did this to much, ended up in the locking nut not tightening correctly and coming out in a 30mph zone, after that I got it set to a comfortable point, works fine now.. but I suspect I've removed most of the free play in doing so.. so as you guessed.. getting the shop to do it on my next visit.

Although I do have a issue with the rear brake light, that's why I want to ensure the clutch is set with enough free play, i'm not just going there for that simple issue.

Any way to learn how to make adjustments without guess work, I seem to mess things up more than I do actually achieve my desired settings.

If it helps I've been on the roads for four months.. just to gauge my experience thus far.
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This depends on how mechanically minded you are. There are people out there who will take their bike, irrespective of the make or model, back to the dealership to tighten up the chain or even lube it - simply because they know best.

The thing is, a bike is a very personal possession. I may set the free play on your throttle or brakes loose for your taste. A car is a different matter though. Send it in for it's yearly service and MOT and that's it good to go.

Rear brake lights misbehaving at this time of year tend to be the switches on the front lever - or more commonly, the rear pedal gumming up with road salt. You'll learn this over time and possibly even be able to remember the part numbers for them Very Happy

I'd start out with learning how the bike is constructed first. How each component is put together. After this you'll be in a position where you can then start to look at servicing each bit in turn. Challenge yourself to a simple oil change and service firstly. This will then get your hands dirty then YouTube from there.

What kind of setup do you have to maintain a bike? Garage full or tools or a driveway with a Poundland socket set?
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

totalllama82 wrote:
There are people out there who will take their bike, irrespective of the make or model, back to the dealership to tighten up the chain or even lube it - simply because they know best.


I personally leave the dealership to tighten the chain but this is because of reading "you can miss align the rear wheel if set un-correctly" im sure the centre stand, standing behind the bike and looking at it will tell you if it isn't or isn't set right.. but I really wouldn't want to take this risk, based on prior experience of IMO easier jobs.

I do however know how to clean and lube the chain.. thankfully in a less messy fashion now after my first attempt was done without anything (ie; newspaper, cardboard) between the chain and the rear wheel.. fair to say it got coated Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:


I personally leave the dealership to tighten the chain but this is because of reading "you can miss align the rear wheel if set un-correctly" im sure the centre stand, standing behind the bike and looking at it will tell you if it isn't or isn't set right.. but I really wouldn't want to take this risk, based on prior experience of IMO easier jobs.



Make the same adjustment at each side;

Slacken axle bolt off and anything else that's advised in manual
slacken lock nuts off
1/4 turn to tighten on chain side
1/4 turn to tighten non-chain side
check chain slack
1/4 turn…
1/4 turn…
check chain slack
repeat or tighthen lock nuts and tighten axle etc

chain adjusted and wheel as straight as it was before.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's true you can mis-align the rear wheel when tightening the chain. And it is a worry when you do it for the first few times. The results - and in the extreme - are the bike snaking up the road. Instead of running 90deg to the direction of travel it's running outwith.

You'll see a few methods of tightening a chain up to ensure its straight when you look around.

The ones i've heard are...

1. Use the markers on the swing arm - This depends on the markers being accurate. This can vary a fair bit between manufacturers and is generally regarded as not the best idea. I use it as a general guide.

2. Use a tool which you can get off eBay. This clamps your rear sprocket and runs a plastic stick up the chain. If the chain runs at an angle, you use the adjusters to make the tool line up right. Arguably accurate but costs.

3. Use the adjuster on the chain side to set the slack (note this is a separate topic), then use a measuring tape from the centre of the swing arm pivot to the centre of the rear axle on both sides and adjust accordingly. This is the method I use and it seems to be fine.
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PostPosted: 23:36 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

BodyGuard wrote:
I would only take it to a garage for a particularly tricky job such as getting a front sprocket welded on.


I agree, for now the bikes under warranty so it wont cost me anything in terms of labour charges to have it looked at, easy option for now.

Although when the bike warranty runs out, I think I'll be forced to learn fast, although I question if I'll own it after this year (dependant on what else is around), that's a different story though.
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The following jobs are generally regarded as easily done at home.

1. Oil & filter.
2. Air filter.
3. Chain lubricating and tightening.
4. Spark plugs.
5. Brake pads & calliper cleaning (if you ride in all weathers, learning to do this is a must).
6. Awareness of Tyre condition.

This will save you a considerable amount of cash and effort.
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 13 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you take it to a garage, don't be afraid to ask.

I make a habit of talking to customers about simple issues, invite then into the workshop to take a look so I can talk them through what they need to be doing.

If it's a reputable dealer/garage, they won't mind.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nemo wrote:
If you take it to a garage, don't be afraid to ask.

If it's a reputable dealer/garage, they won't mind.


When the guys aren't busy they've showed me things (mainly over winter), the mechanic did show (under a light of some sort) the marking that align the rear wheel when adjusting the chain.

I've visited before for small adjustments and they don't mind me standing in the workshop, even after asking if they want me to go ahead into the front (sales floor).

I honestly wouldn't hesitate to use the shop I go to (despite the fact it's 10 miles away) for repairs or fixes on any bike I may own, even if I get one that's not purchased from them.. of course it's one thing saying that under warranty, depends on charges.. if I could afford it then ok, but otherwise I'd attempt myself.

All in all glad I went with the dealership I did for my first purchase, lord knows I've had my fair share of problems with it and they've always had a 1/2 day turnaround time to get it fixed no matter the issue.


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PostPosted: 00:03 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It all depends on how you got into bikes, if you started like me with a £20 moped that got thrashed around local fields with no money to get anything fixed it was either you did it yourself or it didnt get fixed.
My mates dad was a biker he rode an Ariel 350 to work everyday, had a garage full of tools and various projects (including a 3cyl Triumph engine he had part made from a twin, pity he never finished it)

It was evenings and weekend spent sat in that garage tinkering, making mistakes and getting things right, the only jobs i've ever taken to a dealer have been serious engine part replacements, crank rebuilds etc but even then i take the engine out myself first to cut down on labour costs.

Every bike i've bought goes straight home into the garage and the tools come out setting bars, lever positions and adjusting everything that can be adjusted so it suits me.
I bought 2 cheapish laser spirit levels and knocked up a bracket or 2 to clamp to the wheels so when i adjust my chain i know i'm getting it done right.
Haynes manuals are a great thing, the other is to buy a cheap non runner (or running badly) and sit in your garage and play with it, you can pick up plenty of bikes like that for less than £100 and it will save you a fortune over the years, just taking it apart and trying to get it right, you'll learn loads.
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most tasks on a bike are pretty simple once you've done them once. So, do them once. Just take your time, think it through, take some pictures before you start and as you go. Your bike is pretty much designed for easy home maintenance, parts are cheap and easily available, and I'd question whether it's worthwhile paying a penny to a dealer to maintain the warranty.
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now we have the interweb most jobs are do able at home, years ago it was a Haynes or nowt, now we can access EPC`s and many forums where people can help,

I do all my own mechanical work on my cars and bikes and plenty on other peoples also,
But I love tinkering.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have a mate who has some experience who can help you and show you the basics?
There are loads of vids on you tube showing the basics, try them to gt an idea.

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PostPosted: 10:38 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do google searches and watch youtube videos. You can teach yourself how to do the basic jobs.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I got my first bike I just rode it. Do kids these days not do that?

If there is something actually wrong with the bike then you bought a pup. If it's fine then just ride it. Chain adjustment I learned from the Haynes manual, and other than that I did bog all.

I certainly didn't spend ages getting everything adjusted to suit me.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never actually know if anything needs doing / adjusting. I just ride the bike, and if I'm told something needs sorting I'll sort it. Luckily for me I have 'mechanically minded' friends who will give my bike(s) a once over every so often and will point things out.

Otherwise I'd be none the wiser. Exclamation
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
Luckily for me I have 'mechanically minded' friends who will give my bike(s) a once over every so often and will point things out.

Otherwise I'd be dead from a slack chain and twisted subframe. Exclamation


FTFY. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:
I never actually know if anything needs doing / adjusting. I just ride the bike, and if I'm told something needs sorting I'll sort it. Luckily for me I have 'mechanically minded' friends who will give my bike(s) a once over every so often and will point things out.

Otherwise I'd be none the wiser. Exclamation


Are you a girl?
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: How long to get comfortable with adjustments? Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
how long after you got your first motorbike was it until you had to stop replying on the dealership/shop to set the bike up the way you wanted it?


Following my 50, I got my first bike from a dealer. It cost me £400 and was about what you would expect for that sort of money.

I never took it back in for anything.

Since then, I've bought 2 bikes from dealers. One of them is my XL project which was bought as salvage (legit salvage purchase, I knew exactly what I was getting) and the other was my ex-B6.

The only thing any of my vehicles ever go to a garage for is an MOT (and I'd do that at home too if they'd let me). Rebuilding my Discovery engine following the cambelt failure? I did that on the grass out the front.

In the nearly 20 years I've been riding/driving I've taken a car to a garage once. Main dealer, for a service. They tried to charge for work and parts not done and it took me about an hour when I got it home to get it running right again. I'e never taken any bike to anyone else to get work done (unless you count tyres fitted to that B6).

Back in my day / when I were a lad / in the old days / etc. we had haynes manuals (or clymer, depending on what the library had in), dads and mate's dads and trial and error. With the advent of the internet things seem to have gone seriously downhill - instead of giving things a go after reading something written on paper it seems nobody can do anything without a facetube walkthrough video.

On that note, are any of those video how-to things any good? I've not seen any....
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Commuter_Tim wrote:
Otherwise I'd be dead from a slack chain


Actually I've never died from a slack chain yet... Mr. Green Thumbs Up

monkeybiker wrote:
Are you a girl?


For about 18 years, yes.
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PostPosted: 21:00 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clanger wrote:

For about 18 years, yes.


Eh?
...are you the female Benjamin Button? or Tamsin?
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: How long to get comfortable with adjustments? Reply with quote

pdg wrote:
On that note, are any of those video how-to things any good? I've not seen any....


I'd say there's a few decent ones, providing that they're not made from any old tom, dick or harry.. you can tell when someone knows what they're talking about.

I did find one on brake adjustments and how to set bike controls to your preference, came in handy and open my eyes.

All in all.. depends what you need to learn and who makes them.
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: How long to get comfortable with adjustments? Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
As the title suggests, how long after you got your first motorbike was it until you had to stop replying on the dealership/shop to set the bike up the way you wanted it?


Never happened. I always get the bike back with everything better than it was before, i.e. clutch response is tighter, back brake lever requires less travel before it bites, gearbox changes feel smoother, new tyres are always balanced perfectly. Official dealership work can cost more money than generics but it's always done right in my experience.

That said I do want to start learning how to do work on my own bikes, but for that purpose I'd want a beater not my main ride, which needs to be tip top at all times because I use it to get to work etc. I do stupid high mileage at the moment and don't have loads of time to learn how to do more than basic maintenance but it's on my list.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 14 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: How long to get comfortable with adjustments? Reply with quote

rideslikean00b wrote:
clutch response is tighter

They spun an adjuster.

rideslikean00b wrote:
back brake lever requires less travel before it bites

And again.


rideslikean00b wrote:
gearbox changes feel smoother

They changed the oil.

You may be giving them way too much credit for spannering superpowers.
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