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PostPosted: 21:49 - 15 Nov 2014    Post subject: Dealer or home service? (for a newbie!) Reply with quote

The old question, which do you do?

I've recently got a CB1000R, the book has the first couple of services done but the last one was missed (it has only done 10k).

I'm split, my mate has to take his to the supplying dealer to keep his 'unlimited' warranty going, I was tempted, since I'll end up going to keep him company anyway, to get mine done at the same time.

On the flip side I could get the bits and do it myself. I'm far from a mechanic but if I take my time with the help on my mate I can do the basics. I dont depend on the bike so if I took a day or two to do the bits it'd not be an issue, plus I have a nice warm garage to do it in.

So, who does what and why?


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PostPosted: 21:51 - 15 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: Dealer or home service? Reply with quote

Do it yourself.

Spend the savings on a trackday.

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PostPosted: 22:14 - 15 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: Dealer or home service? Reply with quote

mattyfattyboomboom wrote:
I'm far from a mechanic

Just do it yourself....What could possibly go wrong Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 15 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: Dealer or home service? Reply with quote

Do it yourself.

mattyfattyboomboom wrote:

my mate has to take his to the supplying dealer to keep his 'unlimited' warranty going


I bet if your mate adds up what all those services cost him and compares it to parts replaced under warranty he will find he has forked out a huge pile of cash for fuck all beyond some very over priced oil changes.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 15 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im far from a mechanic but I can still service my bike, its dead easy and not something intimidating! Get a workshop manual for your bike (most can be found online) or a Haynes book of lies and have a read through.

A dealer service can be upwards of £200 depending on what you have done whereas you can get plugs, filters and oil for a lot lot less than that. Put the cash you save towards a trackday as G suggested Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 15 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do most basic stuff now - didn't have a clue a couple of years ago. Few PDF manuals on the mobile were very useful for checking while working on the bike. Besides that youtube/forums for advice here and there and most stuffs relatively simple.

The money i've spent on a basic tool kit/paddock stands and other stuff has already been far less than I would of had to spend on paying someone to do all the work i've managed so far.

I still haven't had a go at changing tyres/checking valves yet though, but most of the more basic regular service stuffs definately worth a go at, it gets a lot easier after the first attempt too.

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PostPosted: 23:50 - 15 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm retarded when it comes to mechanics & I can service my own bike. Do it yourself, it's easy.
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PostPosted: 02:26 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

A key part of the service (should be) inspecting particular parts for unusual wear and such like. You're not (by your own admission) a mechanic so surely the guy trained by the dealership and probably the manufacturer in question has a better chance at spotting a defective shock or such like?
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PostPosted: 07:06 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

suburban myth wrote:
A key part of the service (should be) inspecting particular parts for unusual wear and such like. You're not (by your own admission) a mechanic so surely the guy trained by the dealership and probably the manufacturer in question has a better chance at spotting a defective shock or such like?


Pft, if the OP can't spot a shock that's pissing out oil (pretty much the only way you'd be able to tell from the outside) then he probably shouldn't even we riding a motorcycle.

My other concern with dealers is that although yes they are trained, how do you know they haven't given it to the apprentice to check over?
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PostPosted: 07:24 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

suburban myth wrote:
A key part of the service (should be) inspecting particular parts for unusual wear and such like. You're not (by your own admission) a mechanic so surely the guy trained by the dealership and probably the manufacturer in question has a better chance at spotting a defective shock or such like?


How many bike mechanics are trained in anything? Many are people who have just learned for themselves, much the same as folk on this forum. If I could strip and rebuild an IL4 at the tender age of 15, you can do a basic service. Just read through the procedures before starting, to make sure you are clear about what to do. Valve clearances are the thing that a lot of folk (self included) don't like to tackle themselves, so once in a blue moon you can pay someone with more experience to do this.

Save the labour charges for.....erm.....some decent tools! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 07:37 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most people should be capable of doing a basic service like filter and oil change and spark plug change.

Valve checks and adjustments are a bit tricky and if your not confident doing that would be worth getting a garage to do as you could wreck your engine if you mess it up.
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it yourself - and keep an accurate record of what work you did and when, plus details of parts used and all receipts.

If you decide to get the dealer to do it, at least learn how to do regular servicing, basic weekly checks and adjustments, so you don't get shafted.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Re: Dealer or home service? Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
Do it yourself.

mattyfattyboomboom wrote:

my mate has to take his to the supplying dealer to keep his 'unlimited' warranty going


I bet if your mate adds up what all those services cost him and compares it to parts replaced under warranty he will find he has forked out a huge pile of cash for fuck all beyond some very over priced oil changes.


I have suggested that, it'll be interesting to see how it pans out. He reckoned they offer decent priced servicing, it'll all be down to the reliability of the bike though I think, is a 2007 Fireblade going to have lots of expensive issues? Rolling Eyes

suburban myth wrote:
A key part of the service (should be) inspecting particular parts for unusual wear and such like. You're not (by your own admission) a mechanic so surely the guy trained by the dealership and probably the manufacturer in question has a better chance at spotting a defective shock or such like?


Granted, but what is there to a bike? I've only been riding a few months but from what I can make out, brakes, chain, wheels/tyres, shocks and forks etc. All the stuff I look over more or less every ride out.

I think I'll do it myself, need a decent stand for it but I'll learn as I go too. I'll leave the big stuff like valve clearances but they're not due for a good while yet. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valve checks shouldn't be a problem and are easy to do.

If the motor takes shims, it's more hassle to replace any if they are out - but you can still do all the checks and get someone else to do the shims, which should save year a good bit of money.

If it's tappets, it's easy to adjust, of course.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done most jobs needed myself.but will get my mechanic to do my valve clearances. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take your bike to a dealer if:

1. Its new and still under warranty.
2. You can afford it.

Otherwise, most basic stuff can easily be done yourself, although I still take my bike for chain and sprocket changes - I did it once myself and it took ages.

I had a V-Strom from new - it got serviced for the first 2 years to keep the warranty going and then I did it myself for the next 5 years (apart from chain and sprockets after the first one Smile ) and I sold it with 95k miles on the clock. The dealer I traded it to said the lack of service history for an older bike made no difference to the price - they only cared about mileage.

I estimate I saved at least £2k in service charges in the time I had the bike.
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

what pi$$ed me off most about dealer servicing was the lack of any surety that the had done the job properly and then to charge £80 hour.. insult to injury IMO.
it does seem daunting when first you take up the "spanners" but the money I have saved over the years it was well worth doin.

your call.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

My other concern with dealers is that although yes they are trained, how do you know they haven't given it to the apprentice to check over?

This.

I had mine serviced at a dealer to keep the warranty and I looked at the 'our staff' pics and the person who did it was a trainee technician.

I expect that all services are done by the trainees and the bigger jobs by the fully trained staff. I doubt the trainees get supervised either.

I also had some warranty work done some time before and it was the same bloke. I now service my bike and the first time I removed the sump nut it was definitely over tightened as it took a breaker bar to get it off.


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PostPosted: 21:29 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

DIY. Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do it myself, I'm not the most spanner handy either.

It's not hard to learn, I really enjoy oil changes actually, something satisfying with them.

There's something about servicing your own bike though. (Most of the time) You know it's been done right, you know it's had good quality oil, and you know you haven't tightened the oil filter on so fucking hard that the next person to get it off requires ironman's hands.... thanks previous owner. Neutral


One top tip I would say to anyone looking to learn, is look up 'Moonfleet41' on youtube. Simply the best tutorials called 'Delboys garage' on all things bike related, including oil changes, chain maintenance etc.

This is an oil change on a Bandit he did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M90qTC95_ek

Has a couple on different bikes too. Top bloke Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikes - I do all by myself. Saves a lot of money.
Cars - I do most, except things requiring going under the car i.e. exhaust repairs/replacements etc. Again, diy saves fortune.

Learn simple things first. In time you will realize that it's not really that difficult to i.e. adjust valve clearances etc.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 16 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

bikertomm wrote:
I do it myself, I'm not the most spanner handy either.

It's not hard to learn, I really enjoy oil changes actually, something satisfying with them.

There's something about servicing your own bike though. (Most of the time) You know it's been done right, you know it's had good quality oil, and you know you haven't tightened the oil filter on so fucking hard that the next person to get it off requires ironman's hands.... thanks previous owner. Neutral


One top tip I would say to anyone looking to learn, is look up 'Moonfleet41' on youtube. Simply the best tutorials called 'Delboys garage' on all things bike related, including oil changes, chain maintenance etc.

This is an oil change on a Bandit he did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M90qTC95_ek

Has a couple on different bikes too. Top bloke Thumbs Up


Yeah, I like the idea of getting my hands dirty and learning a bit as I go. Thanks for the link, I'll check it out, i'll certainly be buying a manual for it before I do anything.

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Bikes - I do all by myself. Saves a lot of money.
Cars - I do most, except things requiring going under the car i.e. exhaust repairs/replacements etc. Again, diy saves fortune.

Learn simple things first. In time you will realize that it's not really that difficult to i.e. adjust valve clearances etc.


Yeah I've got a mate who owns a very good car garage, prices are excellent and I know he will do a good job. With the car though I need it, so if a bolt gets stuck while I'm trying to do something it'll make a whole world of trouble for me, he has all the tools needed and knowhow of how to sort it, I dont mind paying for that.

The bike though, as I say is more of a toy, I dont need or use it daily, certainly through winter when I'll do the work.
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PostPosted: 00:05 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it yourself. Tips I'd give would be to do it somewhere dry and comfortable, have the right information, manual or web, have a decent basic toolkit. Don't buy cheap pattern shit oil filters, chains/sprockets or brake parts from E-bay.

Start with the basics and the confidence this gives you by doing it well will soon get you doing valve clearances etc.

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PostPosted: 07:47 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mogstar wrote:
My other concern with dealers is that although yes they are trained, how do you know they haven't given it to the apprentice to check over?

This.

I had mine serviced at again dealer to keep the warranty and I looked at the 'our staff' pics and the person who did it was a trainee technician.

I expect that all services are done by the trainees and the bigger jobs by the fully trained staff. I doubt the trainees get supervised either.

I also had some warranty work done some time before and it was the same bloke. I now service my bike and the first time I removed the sump nut it was definitely over tightened as it took a breaker bar to get it off.


This. My Trumpet was delivered with a loose and leaky fuel hose. I only found out when I was sliding everywhere and then it cut out on me.
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PostPosted: 08:31 - 17 Nov 2014    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slacker24seven wrote:
Mogstar wrote:
I also had some warranty work done some time before and it was the same bloke. I now service my bike and the first time I removed the sump nut it was definitely over tightened as it took a breaker bar to get it off.

This. My Trumpet was delivered with a loose and leaky fuel hose. I only found out when I was sliding everywhere and then it cut out on me.

Pissing fork seal on my GS.

Unpossible to explain, it was ticked as OK on the Approved Used PDI sheet. Must have just started leaking on the 2 miles to Châteaux Borg.

Therefore DIY or a trusted independent.
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