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pdg
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 14 May 2024    Post subject: Honda CB250K something - very very long term project... Reply with quote

Part 1.

Will it run?

https://i.imgur.com/1GA2FHp.jpeg

Might need a bit of redex.

That beautiful hunk of scrap formerly identified as a 1970-'72 CB250 engine.

It was actually worse than that, I'd already 'cleaned' some of it before I thought to take a pic.

Unfortunately for it, I'm sometimes a twat and I left it out in the rain for approximately one decade, give or take 0.2 decades or so. In my defence (not that I deserve it) it really wasn't that much better beforehand.

I did however have the foresight to put the head, rocker box and other associated gubbins in a box in the shed, so they've got nothing more than patchy surface rust in a few places. Pretty sure I even have a camshaft somewhere too.

I got the block off after draining a few litres of water out of the cases and that's as far as I've got...

I also have the bottom end and gearbox of a slightly later one, it was sat outside next to this one. It's even less complete, but some internals may or may not be interchangeable.


So yeah, I have no idea when or even if any progress will be made, but I thought I'd bung it in here anyway - it might be fun to see what happens.
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 14 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose it'll mainly come down to if you have a viable crank and cam. I'd imagine most of the other bits are available out there because they are raced a lot in classic racing on account of them being flying machines.
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 14 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:44 - 14 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I suppose it'll mainly come down to if you have a viable crank and cam. I'd imagine most of the other bits are available out there because they are raced a lot in classic racing on account of them being flying machines.


I think the two cranks I have are the same, so it should be possible to either pick the best one or make one out of the two.

Looking inside the gearbox through the drain I was actually really surprised with just how not bad it looked - most of the ball bearings are probably past their prime mind.

I seem to remember that the cam had a fair bit of wear, but it's entirely possible I'm thinking of something else... A stock cam is probably obtainable though if it comes to it. If I do need a replacement it'll depend on how the rest turns out - in fact, any new parts at all won't even be looked for until I know I have a reasonable percentage of it that's usable.

At some point I'll turn it into an exploded diagram and get the calipers out...
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 14 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
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No it's not, cheeky bugger.



It's too light and there's nowhere to attach the rope.........
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PostPosted: 17:55 - 14 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update the first. This post contains good news and less good news (it's not bad until I say it is).

I popped off the side covers and discovered very little in the way of rust. I proceeded to remove the clutch plates to separate diagnostics of the engine and gearbox.

Less good news, so we can end on a high:

The crank is stuck in the mains , the conrods are stuck on the big ends, the gudgeon pins are however free with little to no play. To be determined is how stuck and why.


Gooder news:

The starter motor turns and the starter clutch appears to operate. I didn't apply power so I don't know if the starter actually works, but it turns by hand.

The kick starter works (on these engines the kick operates on the gearbox side of the clutch).

All gears can be selected and the gearbox turns freely and smoothly in all of them - it was superficially stuck initially but it's likely that was dry greasy oil in the bearings and/or gunk around the clutch basket.



I think splitting the cases is next on the agenda - it'll be way easier and more mechanically sympathetic to assess and hopefully make good the crank that way.



Interim thoughts - I'm not unhappy.
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 16 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking forward to it. I like rags to riches stories on bikes!
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 16 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the time that ever runs again, petrol stations will be long distant memories.
But best of luck with it, and rather you than me.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 16 May 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

blurredman wrote:
Looking forward to it. I like rags to riches stories on bikes!


Now I was going to say something like it may end up being a rags to rags deal.

But...

jeremyr62 wrote:
By the time that ever runs again, petrol stations will be long distant memories.
But best of luck with it, and rather you than me.


Them's fightin' words Laughing



Now, I'm 100% certain that I could force it to run without replacing anything at all, as long as I can find the camshaft...

From initial inspection it'd likely be a loose definition of running and longevity would be measured in "bits of string" timeframes, but still.

I would like to do at least slightly better than that though and there's exactly zero urgency to use it, so yeah, it won't exactly be finished this weekend - but I'll keep piddling with it and update as and when.
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