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PostPosted: 14:37 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Recommend me a computer keyboard Reply with quote

My old heavy compaq one is buggered. It's pumping out errors I KNOW aren't typos with increasing frequency. While I can't touch type, I broadly use the correct fingers and some of these errors are miles away from anywhere I'd have had a finger.

Here's the "Hold down both shift keys and type the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" test:

HE QUIC BROWN OX UMPE OVER HE Z OG

Yeh. So.

I'm too tight to go for a new mechanical and someone will undoubtedly wreck it if I do. Was thinking of around the £30-40 range.

Been ages since I bought one that wasn't the cheapest in the shop for work. Looking for:
Wired,
UK QUERTY,
Non-ergonomic
Function and navigation keys and a numberpad.

Not all that enamoured with the "flat" key type like they use on apples.

Big and heavy is a plus, not a minus.

Plainer the better, It's for typing, not gaming or posting pictures of.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I usually pick up one for a quid from Cash Converters.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any of Cherry's keyboards. They're really good, and very solid. They're also relatively cheap.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I broke my old Dell keyboard recently so just bought a new one. Another Dell, the KB522, I think it's available in UK, I specifically wanted the US layout though. It's not quite as heavy and robust as the old Dell one (RT7D30) I had, took a day or 2 to become fully used to the slight difference in it and able to touch type properly. But I'm very happy with it now.

It's got just the right amount of travel in the keys but less than the RT7, a few little media/shortcut buttons at the top, but nothing silly or over the top.

I did buy a wireless one from Maplin a while back, hated typing on it, constantly pressing the wrong keys, so took it back. It wasn't cheap, but felt cheap, too light, shallow key press, keys felt too close together.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

HE QUIC BROWN OX UMPE OVER HE Z G . Same as my 4Tech cheapo keyboard.

How does that impinge your workflow....dude?
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PostPosted: 01:18 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: Recommend me a computer keyboard Reply with quote

HE QUCI BROWN OX UMPE OVER HE ZZ OG

Mine must be crap to as I only got an extra Z
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PostPosted: 02:02 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The all time classic is the Model M, although it's a bit long in the tooth now. Virtually indestructible.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It proves that what you are pressing isn't being cleanly signalled to the PC. I'm utterly convinced mine is sending out spurious letters. Probably when I hit two keys similtaneously or very nearly similtaneously. I should get inversions when this happens, not errors.

A very good keyboard will show the whole phrase.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ferrisio wrote:
The all time classic is the Model M, although it's a bit long in the tooth now. Virtually indestructible.


This, go car boot hunting for a Model M, preferably between 86 and 89. As long as you can live with the noise, you'll never find a better workhorse keyboard.

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PostPosted: 11:49 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
It proves that what you are pressing isn't being cleanly signalled to the PC. I'm utterly convinced mine is sending out spurious letters. Probably when I hit two keys similtaneously or very nearly similtaneously. I should get inversions when this happens, not errors.

A very good keyboard will show the whole phrase.


Laptop keyboard is

THKBNFJSTHLAYDG

But I get no typing issues in normal use.

Would be pretty useless for gaming but not for everything else I have used.

It's an issue called ghosting, where keys share the same tracks, so if you have a certain combination of key, the computer won't be able to see all key presses.

If you want to avoid it all together you're going to need a keyboard with "anti-ghosting". A lot of gaming keyboards have it, but only on the WASD side of the keyboard. But you will find a lot of keyboards do this to an extent.

https://www.microsoft.com/appliedsciences/content/projects/KeyboardGhostingDemo.aspx

You can use that to have a play with the key combinations to satisfy your curiosity.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never knew about this 'ghosting', I thought you all must have broken keyboards to not be able to type that phrase!
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

HE QUIK BROWN FO JUPED OER HE LA DOG
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PostPosted: 13:45 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find myself needing to ask: what possible real-world scenario could one find oneself in where holding both shift keys is necessary?
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
I find myself needing to ask: what possible real-world scenario could one find oneself in where holding both shift keys is necessary?


Surely there MUST be a need in Elite Laughing

I can't wait to try it on my K95.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
Surely there MUST be a need in Elite Laughing
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

nowhere.elysium wrote:
I find myself needing to ask: what possible real-world scenario could one find oneself in where holding both shift keys is necessary?


I have a feeling it's some kind of humorous geek prank to convince people that their keyboards are faulty.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ohhhh, both shift keys, didn't see that bit.

T QUIC BRON FOX UD OVR T LAZ DOG

Hmm.
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PostPosted: 02:57 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep an eye on Ebay. My brother just picked up an almost new CM Storm with black keys for £35.
I dont see much point in spending more than £10 on anything thats non mechanical though. The best rubber dome keyboard i've used anyway is some IBM one i paid £7 for 4 on ebay. They all end up going a bit soft and naff feeling after about a year anyway.
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PostPosted: 03:14 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

HE QUIK BROWN FO JUPED OER HE LA DOG

Brand new Dell kb1421 that came with an OptiPlex 780 that I picked up nos for £60 from a car boot, gave the pc to my brother and kept the keyboard/mouse.

no issues in normal use either, wonder if it is a usb vs ps2 thing?
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

prawny1 wrote:

no issues in normal use either, wonder if it is a usb vs ps2 thing?


No, it's a ghosting thing, and is totally normal.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

H CK BN FX JMPS V H LAZ DG

Damn, that's a good test. That's on an Apple wireless keyboard.

EDIT: Macbook Pro Keyboard

THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPED OVER THE LAZY DOG

Perfect.


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PostPosted: 11:54 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Re: Recommend me a computer keyboard Reply with quote

THE QUICK BROWN FO JUMPED OVER THE LAZY DOG

So apparently my X doesnt work on that...

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PostPosted: 11:58 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The two keyboards I have access to (laptop and USB).

HE QUIC BROWN OX UMPED OVER E Z OG

HE QUIK BROWN FOX JUPED OER HE LA DO

Not convinced that the test shows anything of value to OP.


stinkwheel wrote:
QUERTY


Keyboard or borked brain?


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PostPosted: 11:59 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 12:23 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

HE QUIC BROWN OX UMPE OVER HE Z OG

Some Kensington budget thing at work
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