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Jefr0
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Insurance - start new policy before end date of current Reply with quote

Hi all

Currently I have 2 bikes on one policy which end of the 31st March.

I have a third to be added for when I renew.

Although I'd like to be able to ride this third bike on the 29th March.

Can I start a new policy from the 29th and ignore those 2 days where there will be a cross over?

I know general consensus would be either:

A: Yeah that will be fine.
B: Wait till the 31st.

But just in case I had a accident on say the 30th, with 2 policies on the bikes would I be uninsured/screwed due to 2 policies?

Bit unsure on what I can do.

Thanks

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PostPosted: 11:03 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speak to the people who your contract is with - either the insurance company, or the broker you dealt with.

We can have no way of knowing what the terms and small-print consist of, but whoever you are paying for this, should be able to find you a legal solution.

If you were to crash and injure me or a member of my family on an un-insured bike, I would not be pleased.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

"If you were to crash and injure me or a member of my family on an un-insured bike, I would not be pleased."

You or your family member would still get every penny of compensation that you'd have got had the driver been insured.

OP, I'd go for option B. If you're covered by different policies then in the event of a claim in those two days then five ponds says both insurance companies would want the other to pay out.

For the sake of two days I wouldn't bother with the headache you could be leaving yourself open to.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two concurrent policies on one vehicle = illegal. Don't do it.

An overzealous insurance saleswoman once cancelled my policy with 4 days left on it as I'd bought a new policy to start the day after my current one ended, with their sister company. I was dumbfounded and she was stupid, but my initial point is valid.
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mez wrote:
Two concurrent policies on one vehicle = illegal. Don't do it.


Illegal, really, as in there is a law against it?
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taught2BCautious wrote:
Speak to the people who your contract is with - either the insurance company, or the broker you dealt with.

We can have no way of knowing what the terms and small-print consist of, but whoever you are paying for this, should be able to find you a legal solution.

If you were to crash and injure me or a member of my family on an un-insured bike, I would not be pleased.


I wouldn't ride a bike uninsured, that's why I'm finding out.

I think you're thinking I would ride a bike uninsured for 2 days until my policy starts. What I'm saying is if I started from 29th, then I'd have 2 policys not 0.

I'm currently with Bennetts I think but will be going with footman james from the 31st.

Thanks Mez, Ste too. Was thinking B is the option I can only take. Yes A would probably go un noticed but don't want to take a risk if illegal to do so.
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll tell you one thing. If you try to cancel the original policy, they'll try to charge you an extortionate admin fee for it. So I'd say nothing at all to the existing company. They tried to hump me for £70 when I sold my car with two weeks left to run on the insurance. I told them if that was the case, I'd decided not to sell it after all.

You putting them all on the same policy? Last time I did a quote, it was actually cheaper for me to put my two bikes on seperate policies, even without taking no-claims into consideration. I used my NCB on the most expensive one to insure and started a policy from scratch for the other.

Worth crunching some numbers in any case.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MattB, I'm semi-certain it'd constitute insurance fraud if you tried to make a claim while two policies are running. Never mind not getting a payout at all if each company knows there's another policy running. Dodgy ground all round.

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PostPosted: 12:20 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

By the way. My understanding is that it's not specifically illegal to have two policies running for the same vehicle.

What would be illegal would be if you tried to claim the same claim from two different companies, that would be fraud.

Most policies will have a disclaimer stating their cover is void if the vehicle is covered by another policy. That said, the letter of the law from the point of view of the road traffic act states you must have a certificate of motor insurance. If you're stopped by the police and have a certificate of motor insurance that theyu haven't cancelled (and they have to give notice of cancellation), you are legal.

If it were me, I'd just take out the new policy (assuming a multi-bike policy is best). If you're only going to be riding the new bike, any claim in the case of an accident would be soley on the new policy. Job jobbed.

Where you could run into issues is if one of the other bikes is stolen or catches fire. Then there could be argument between the insurers as to who is liable. What you'd need to be careful to do in that case is only attempt to claim off one of them. I suspect there would be a lot of to-ing and fro-ing if this happened but ultimately, I'd imagine a magistrate would order one or both of them to cough up.

Of course, if you're TPO, the above is irrelevant, take out the policy, only ride the new bike until the old policy expires.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mez wrote:
Two concurrent policies on one vehicle = illegal. Don't do it.


Its not.....

When my daughter was learning to drive she took out her own learner policy on the same car that I have insured. So that in the event of any incident. It would not be a claim on my policy.

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PostPosted: 12:33 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Stinkwheel, given me food for thought right there.

Bit of a complicated one.

I'll be insuring: (Honda and Ducati on one policy at mo)

Honda CBR 600 (Used daily Mon-Fri at least)
Ducati 916 (Weekends/track)
Vincent Comet (Weekends)

I thought if I cancel policy and run new one on the 29th, as you say, I'd get a admin fee for it, and lose a years no claims probably.

All those 3 Fully comp is something silly like £200 so I'm not beating that (I've tried a few combinations and I'm chuffed with that) (27 with 11 years no claims)

By the way. My understanding is that it's not specifically illegal to have two policies running for the same vehicle.

Right ok, that's what I'm not sure about so I suppose I'll have to get confirmation from both policies.

If it were me, I'd just take out the new policy (assuming a multi-bike policy is best). If you're only going to be riding the new bike, any claim in the case of an accident would be soley on the new policy. Job jobbed.

I could do that actually, ride the 29th on the Vincent, then on 30th/31st ride the Honda XR 125 for work.

Thanks Stinkwheel.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mez wrote:
Two concurrent policies on one vehicle = illegal. Don't do it.


No, it's not.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jefr0 wrote:

Right ok, that's what I'm not sure about so I suppose I'll have to get confirmation from both policies.


If you mention this, they will tell you it's illegal but wont be able to justify why. The existing policy could try to cancel and charge you. The new policy will refuse to insure you if you draw their attention to it.

In any case, I'd be putting the Comet on a seperate, agreed-value policy if you want to stand a chance of being paid out anything close to what it would cost to replace. A £200 policy covering those three bikes is not giving you the level of cover you ought to have.

I should also let you know I got royally humped as a result of my Footman James hybrid classic policy. It was fine while it ran but then my mix of bikes went outside their qualifying ratio for the policy (you were allowed one modern bike for each classic) and I had to get a standard policy.

I then found, because they do not offer no-claims discount on the classic policy, no other companies would give me any no claims discount. They wouldn't accept a letter from Footman James stating I had been insured with them with no claims. All they would accept was a notice of no claims discount or a renewal notice showing NCD. It essentially wiped out 15 years of totally clean claims history and I had to start building up NCD again.
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you called your current insurer and asked them if they could just put a note on your file that they no longer have an insurable interest beyond the 29th?

If they want to charge you for it, or argue the toss over the accrued NCD, then forget it.

Hang on... is it the Vincent that you want to ride at the weekend?

That's not on your current policy, so if you stack that bike in the 2 naughty days, then I can't see how it would be an issue. Just don't ride the Honda or Ducati or have them sunk, burned or taken a prize.

You may still be on a sticky wicket with the NCD unless, as stinkwheel has pointed out, you new policy doesn't concern itself with such things.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a think about what Stinkwheel said RE separate policies because it worked out cheaper for me too. I've had 2 bikes for a long time and the last instance of it being cheaper was back in 2008 with a ZX6R and a 350 Enfield. Since then I have had 2 separate policies using the NCB on the most expensive to insure. For the FZ6 and the Pan this year a multibike policy would have cost me about £80 more than I paid.
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