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recman
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 23 Dec 2015    Post subject: Some sort of justice. Reply with quote

Finally, a punishment comes closer to fitting the crime.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-35169126
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PostPosted: 17:12 - 23 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

does a ban now start from when he leaves prison..
not really a ban if he is inside is it.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 23 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be ludicrous to think that a ban would run simultaneously but I wouldn't be too surprised.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 23 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out in 6 years, it's not like he'll be bothered about being banned given that he'll be uninsurable anyway.

It is ludicrous that bans run from the start of the sentence which is why the law was changed in 2009.

Whoops, no, I mean, "plans were announced" then.

It actually changed this year.

Dammit, wait, that was another "announcement". Mad
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 23 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if the same sentence would have been handed out if the victim was on a motorbike Thinking
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 23 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Out in 6 years, it's not like he'll be bothered about being banned given that he'll be uninsurable anyway.


Not if he answers honestly to the questions.
Have you had an accident in the last 5yrs?
Have you any convictions in the last 5yrs?
Have you made a claim in the last 5yrs?
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 23 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, this is the exception rather than the norm. 12 years is about the maximum for death by dangerous driving that the law allows. A normal conviction, even with aggravating factors is typlically 6 years, which then gets time off for pleading early and then a 1/3 off cause the home secretary can't build enough prisons to house them all.
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PostPosted: 21:16 - 23 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bring back hanging.

He doesn't look bovad.
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 23 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Bring back hanging.


This.
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 23 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScottT wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Out in 6 years, it's not like he'll be bothered about being banned given that he'll be uninsurable anyway.


Not if he answers honestly to the questions.
Have you had an accident in the last 5yrs?
Have you any convictions in the last 5yrs?
Have you made a claim in the last 5yrs?


Isn't there a question about being convicted of dangerous driving? I can't remember Embarassed
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 23 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScottT wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Out in 6 years, it's not like he'll be bothered about being banned given that he'll be uninsurable anyway.


Not if he answers honestly to the questions.
Have you had an accident in the last 5yrs?
Have you any convictions in the last 5yrs?
Have you made a claim in the last 5yrs?

Could not having any NCB cause alarm bells to ring?
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 24 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if you are sentenced to over a certain amount of time the conviction never becomes spent so you would always have to disclose it.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 24 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Capital punishment is never a solution in a humane society.

That said, I go along with the general hope that for some reason (yet to evolve) he ends up doing the WHOLE STRETCH and then the ban starts after that.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 24 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
Capital punishment is never a solution in a humane society.


It might not be an ideal solution but it should at least be trialled as a deterrent.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 24 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

"A decision was taken not to proceed on charges of failing to stop at an accident, driving with excess alcohol and failing to report an accident."

Why so lenient about failing to stop? Rolling Eyes

In some ways that's worse than the dangerous driving part, choosing to leave the scene of an accident is a much more callous action. Deciding to make a run for it rather than trying to help injured parties is what sealed the drivers fate.

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PostPosted: 11:52 - 24 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

recman wrote:
It might not be an ideal solution but it should at least be trialled as a deterrent.

It already has.
The last man to hang for "murder" was found not guilty many years later and given a royal pardon.

Sometimes life turns over a personal stone, and you find out that you need to reconsider things like capital punishment.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 24 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having read the article, I have to say that if what is printed is true, I hope he get`s bummed a lot while he`s in prison.

What a despicable human being Evil or Very Mad

Surely in cases like these, there is an argument to ban them from driving for the rest of their life?
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PostPosted: 14:26 - 24 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
"Scrimshaw made no attempt to comfort her, help her or call the police and left the scene".

As above, this is the plonkers worse cime IMO...'no excuse for it Tut Tut


And neither did the little shit who killed my brother. Got less than 6 years for it. WHat made this one so bad?
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PostPosted: 14:57 - 24 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ANY drink driver related killing of an innocent is bad, it just appears that this cvnt got a bit more of what he deserves.
Sadly in this world, that is not always the case.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 25 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
Bring back hanging.

It'll never happen, there have been too many miscarriages of justice in what were once capital cases. Even when we had the death penalty it was very rarely used, most condemned were reprieved.
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 25 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am against capital punishment as meted out by law. At the same time though if say a man tries to rape a woman, and in the course of defending herself she ends up killing him, I won't be shedding any tears (same for defence against assault/robbery/attempted murder etc)

Take Thomas Kennedy, he was convicted for raping his 11 year old daughter. Total scum right? Surely this sick fuck deserves to be hanged doesn't he?.....

Only he was innocent, and 10 years into his prison term, his daughter comes forward about lying about the rape cos she was pissed and angsty about her parents divorce at the time.

https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exoneration/pages/casedetail.aspx?caseid=3892
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PostPosted: 23:43 - 25 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
The last man to hang for "murder" was found not guilty many years later and given a royal pardon.

Who was that?
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 26 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Raffles wrote:

Who was that?


Off the top of my head....Derek Bentley in the "Let him have it" case?


For someone as right wing as I am, theoretically I would love to reinstate the death penalty but I do not trust people, and where people are involved, lies, deceit and frame ups will always exist,
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