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PostPosted: 20:10 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Flat spot on tyre - MOT fail? Reply with quote

Tl;dr - will a flat spot on a tyre (from sitting deflated) cause an MOT failure?

I'm currently recommissioning a Honda Rebel 250 that's been sat for some while. Exactly how long, I'm not quite sure - possibly a decade if it ceased to be used when the last tax disc expired. When it came to me, both tyres were deflated but I pumped them up and they've stayed inflated fine. However on close inspection both tyres have potential problems.

The front tyre is quite badly distorted so I presume it needs replacing. Fortunately I have a new tyre of the correct size left over from my GN400, so that can replace the duff one.

The rear is a bit more of a grey area - it sits on the rim fine and at first glance has no defects. However when the wheel is spun, it's apparent that the tyre has a flat spot at one point. I presume this is from where the wheel has sat on the deflated tyre.

A couple of questions - is this likely to result in an MOT failure? The manual lists 'lumps, bulges or tears caused by separation or partial failure of its structure' as a reason for failure - would a flat spot like this be included in that?

I only ask as I'm not sure whether I'm going to keep the bike or sell it on for a bit of a profit after getting it MOTd. A new rear tyre would be between £40 and £65 depending on manufacturer, plus about another £10 for fitting and potentially the same again for an inner tube. All of which would eat into any eventual profit.

If I did have to replace it, what would people recommend? The tyre is a 130/90-15, and the new front will be a Continental Conti-Go. Oponeo (a website i've used before) have various options including a Maxxis M6103 Promaxx, Heidenau K65, Metzeler ME77 or a Bridgestone Exedra Max (which is Bridgestone's replacement for the OE tyre). Does anyone have any experience with any of these?
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PostPosted: 20:19 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be considered a 'defect' most likely.

It flat spot would become apparent when the tester puts the bike on the roller brake and the wheel is spun.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heidenau K65s are amazingly grippy but they don't have enough tread cuts to work well as a fatter rear tyre in my opinion. Truly great as a skinny front though, let you get away with murder.

Metzeler ME77 grips very well, makes the bike feel like it's cornering on rails when new. Tyre life isn't the best (probably thanks to all the tread cuts) but safe and good in the wet. Also cheap, highly recommended.

I see there's also the Pirelli City Demon in that size, a long lasting tyre but no grip and very squirmy in the wet because there are hardly any cuts, like the Heidenau. Not recommended.

I haven't tried the other tyres but can't imagine they'd be better than the ME77.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not look at secondhand tyres if you are moving it on (if there are any in those sizes)?
Even if the MOT man let it go I should imagine that the bike would handle like shite with a flat spot.
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if it was not a fail why would you consider using it?
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:
It flat spot would become apparent when the tester puts the bike on the roller brake and the wheel is spun.

The what? You're going to the wrong places. Laughing

Given the price of tyres, I'd just take it to get tested at a friendly site and hope for the best. Put some heat in it with a well inflated tube, miracles might happen on the way there.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
evoboy wrote:
It flat spot would become apparent when the tester puts the bike on the roller brake and the wheel is spun.

The what? You're going to the wrong places. Laughing

Given the price of tyres, I'd just take it to get tested at a friendly site and hope for the best. Put some heat in it with a well inflated tube, miracles might happen on the way there.


The tyre would 'bump' on the rollers when the brakes are tested as the wheel has to be spun to test the brakes, or, the bike ridden to test the brake effort.

Have you ever ridden on a tyre with a visible flat spot? You can feel it when rolling at low speed.

I wouldn't pass it.

I bought a brand new Metzeler MEz4 that came from the factory with a flat spot from poor storage. It felt like a wheel bearing had gone or the tyre was flat. The vibration was pretty bad too. I took it off after 100miles.
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Even if it was not a fail why would you consider using it?


I wouldn't if I was certain I'm going to keep the bike, which I'm not sure about at the moment. The biggest question mark over it is how quick (or rather, slow) it is - it has a rated output of about 17.5bhp and I'm just not sure if that's going to be bearable. Obviously I'm only going to find that out after getting it on the road and riding it for a while!

What I might do is, as Roger suggests, put plenty of pressure in it, take it for a pre-MOT ride and see if it improves matters at all. If not, looks like I'll need to replace it.
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PostPosted: 23:39 - 24 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:
the wheel has to be spun to test the brakes, or, the bike ridden to test the brake effort.

More what you'd call guidelines than actual rules.

If it's nobbed, it's nobbed, but it's a tubed tyre (it is, yes?) so I wouldn't write it off without giving it at least a chance to shape up.

That said, decade old rubber is pretty pikey. Whistle
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: tyres Reply with quote

bike been sat for 10 years or more!!

if sat on its wheels, ie not on a centre stand, then both tyres will have "cracks" where they have been sat on the ground, which may be very dangerous when inflated............and you are gunna ride this bike?? on the road with the rest of us!!

invest in some new tyres would be the wise thing to do....... :karma:

we use maxxis c906/c907 range and find them very good, especially for the money.

if the brake pads are "peeling" would you replace them??

mot is a basic safety check, for your machine and other road users.
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PostPosted: 13:03 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

weird, ive seen the rollers on car brake test but not for bikes

my test place users a winch thingy - basically, apply brakes an cable is attached around the front of the bike an tries to drag it forward
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take it to an mot place that offers free re-test, if it passes wohoo, if not, get tyre and re-test for nothing.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 25 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

mudcow007 wrote:
weird, ive seen the rollers on car brake test but not for bikes

my test place users a winch thingy - basically, apply brakes an cable is attached around the front of the bike an tries to drag it forward

Bike places usually use the drag method, those that do cars and bikes can put a footplate on the car rollers so they can use it for a bike as well.
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 26 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

We (the mot place I use and I) chanced to look this over Yesterday

Not a fail unless tester considers it dangerous but it is testers descression
My guy would fail an old tyre with a deformity as it is lightly to fail

He put a warning on a customers bike as the front tyre had a repair that seemed to be causing a deformity

Picked up on check over not on the roller brake test !!
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 31 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit of an update.

Took the front wheel and tyre in to be changed today. Whilst I was doing that I had a quick chat with one of the mechanics and he reckoned that a flat spot would only be a fail if really bad - otherwise pass and advise.

It's surprisingly difficult to capture the problem on camera - this is probably my best attempt. Hopefully that won't count as 'really bad' but we'll see.

After fitting the new chain yesterday I took the bike out for a quick spin to warm the oil up before a change and was quite pleasantly surprised by the ride. Does feel a little odd maneuvering at low speed - I've never ridden a cruiser before so presumably this is a consequence of the fork angle and wide, highish bars. There was more power than I was expecting - certainly better than how I remember my old CD250U, which has a very similar engine. Therefore I'm starting to lean towards keeping the bike, in which case I'll probably stick a new rear tyre on it at some point anyway.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 31 Mar 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it'll fail on tyre condition, but might give some false readings on the brake tester (if they use the roller kind).
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 15 Apr 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Final update - passed MOT without even so much as an advisory! Seems to handle OK too. Nevertheless I've ordered a replacement which will be fitted next week.
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