LS218 video review - would you buy one?

[handbasket]

Looks terrifying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3DiAecsh_0

No mention of cost. They don't mention the range, either. That seems to be 'up to' 180 miles. You'd probably have to avoid 'spirited' riding to get to that range though. Realistic numbers are more likely to be under 150 miles. Could fast charge in 30 minutes. That'll be annoying if you have to stop at motorway services on a trip.

Almost $40,000 list price. So pushing £30,000 here. That'll be a select market.

[bladeblaster]

No for many reasons:-

1) It's fugly
2) It's too expensive
3) It sounds like a wind up toy
4) You have to wait around 30 minutes to charge it
5) We have all run out of fuel at some point, you can walk and buy a can of petrol, try buying a can of electric.
6) How much does it cost to charge?
7) Is it actually eco friendly? All that electric to charge it has to come from somewhere.

All that said I would love to have a blast on one.

[handbasket]

Electric is coming more and more from renewable sources. Unlike petrol. Robert Llewllyn points out that oil refineries use electricity and claims they use more to refine the fuel used by a car than if the same car used electricity directly. To be honest that does seem a bit far fetched though.

Regardless of this, battery tech is coming on in leaps and bounds. A more sensible electric bike is going to come along at a reasonable price eventually, IMO.

[Rogerborg]

Batteries are 12 kWh to 20 kWh (I assume that's the same as their "kwh" - LERN 2 METRIK!!!)

200 "hp" is about 150 kW.

(12 to 20) * 60 / 150 = full to empty in 4.8 minutes to 8 minutes at full POWAH. You won't be doing full power, but they won't go all the way to full or empty either.

Fun track toy, or if you live very near to a (short) twisty road.

I'd want to go uphill on the way out though, so I could roll it home.
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[Northern Monkey]

[Rogerborg]

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[Rogerborg]

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[Rogerborg]

I suspect he means "I've never experienced anything this quiet accelerating this fast."
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[MarJay]

[Matt B]

[daemonoid]

[daemonoid]

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First off, ignoring that I was discussing basic physics and the author's lack of knowledge of it in relation to motorbikes; there seems to be no competitors in what would be a similar ICE class.
The next closest ICE rider was riding a (tweaked, no doubt) adventure bike, not a superbike.
There doesn't seem to be any competitors riding litre superbikes, from what I can see - a few 750s.

Then of course that this isn't the same road bike that the youtuber was testing, presumably.

'Sprint' racing is of course where electric really excels because you can keep the weight right down without range worries.

[daemonoid]

[Rogerborg]

[temeluchus]

Well, at least with batteries coming along, should the kitten preserving eco nazis force us off of dino juice machines we will have stuff that is reasonably fun to ride. Given that is likely to be some time off, battery and charging technology hopefully should be greatly improved.

[Rogerborg]

[daemonoid]

[Matt B]

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[temeluchus]

[Northern Monkey]

[stevo as b4]

I don't give a stuff about all the bollocks people say when talking charging electric vehicles and the electric usage and Co2, and power station emissions it generates.

The electric is often generated anyway, and we need loads of it. It won't hurt the environment to have a million electric vehicles plugged in for 8hours a night charging up, much more than it does already.

There are green options for electric vehicle charging too. You can't have a green option for running an ICE vehicle. Large offices could easily have underground car parks for stuff with Plug in charge points, and a few hundred square metres of solar panel on the roof for charging off grid when possible?

Anyway back to the bike linked in this thread. I believe it's so far off on a tangent and irrelevant to what people want and need in an electric bike? who out there wants or is looking for an electric R1 with a 150mile range??

Electric bikes would and will be immensely useful in the moped sector and in the up to 25bhp sector for everyday commuter machines and cheap to run personal transport for urban shoppers and scooter/125/commuter bike markets.

A 50-60mile range when the full performance is available for most of it, will be more than sufficient for most folks, as will a 3-5hour re-charge time. It's this market electric bike developments need to be perfecting and refining, as currently for anything other than the novelty factor an electric BMW S1000RR is totally pointless and un-sellable IMO to anyone who wants an EV.