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PostPosted: 13:11 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: More and more boat migrants Reply with quote

I don't know who is old enough to remember the Vietnamese boat people after the Vietnam war? They were essentially the South Vietnamese who were being persecuted for being American 'allies'.

When I was on a ship running from Borneo to Japan we stopped and picked up about 50 people from a sinking boat who had left Vietnam a couple of weeks before. They were in a terrible mess and we did the best we could to help them with the meager medicines we had on board.

We got to Okinawa and were told not to dock but to anchor out in the bay and await instructions. It took another 2 weeks before any country said they would take the refugees and we could off load them. The shipping company I worked for then was not impressed at the hold up to the ship and basically insinuated that if the Captain picked up any more migrants he would be looking elsewhere for a ship.

I'm retelling this story because it seems that the present crisis is going to result in a lot more migrant deaths around the world than happened then because, as before, no one wants them in their country.

We have Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand refusing point blank to take any boat migrants in their part of the world. On the news last night there was a boat that had been at sea for 2 months, out of food and water and engine failing. The next bad storm that will be gone.

Australia sticks them on some deserted island.

In Europe we are picking them up but I'm convinced that's only because the news hounds are out and the governments can't be seen to be ignoring it. Cameron has sent a naval ship but said we won't accept refugees. He and others want to sink all the refugee's/traffickers boats so they can't get to sea at all. Perhaps that is the only way to stop it?

Another big problem is a lot of the ones coming to Europe are not refugees, but economic migrants trying to get in illegally.

I don't know what is the answer to this is, No country is going to have an open doors policy so many many of these boat people are destined to die and the world will just keep looking on and making sad noises.
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PostPosted: 13:12 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:29 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Re: More and more boat migrants Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

Another big problem is a lot of the ones coming to Europe are not refugees, but economic migrants trying to get in illegally.


Supposedly the pay traffickers 1000's for a space on the run. When you can get a flight to mainland europe for a few hundred quid and then claim asylum through the proper channels at the euro airport....

I mean it's not like the boatists would be trying to avoid immigration control would they? Shocked
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Re: More and more boat migrants Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
He and others want to sink all the refugee's/traffickers boats so they can't get to sea at all.

Approved.

Stop bawwwing about international law and just do it.

Should be easy enough, we've got pretty good at bombing unarmed civilians.

If you really, really must, throw some lilos and inflatable ducks and such in the water afterwards.
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we should follow the French lead of just ignoring illegal immigrants and turning a blind eye to them, in the hope they'll eventually get into the err..... UK.
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PostPosted: 15:37 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see the logic in refusing entry. If we the worlds civilised countries roll out the red carpet,
then more and more will attempt the journey, and there's way more of them than us... Any way you look at it,
that's not good for anyone. If they are real economic migrants, with useful skills and the means to
support themselves, then they wouldn't be trying to get in via the back door would they? I also don't doubt
for a second that they want to eventually end up here in soft touch Britain. However they probably
have no idea that there's been a recent change of political climate here and it's one that's unlikely to see
them welcomed them with open arms. If they had any idea what an oppressive police state we now live in
(or so some would have you believe Rolling Eyes ) then they'd probably realise they are better off in Somalia.
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PostPosted: 15:41 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sink the boats! Med war now!
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PostPosted: 16:18 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's no need to send warships to sink the boats as the inflatable boats are pretty good at sinking themselves.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32593187
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32723573

What to do? If the EU 'accept' the illegally trafficked migrants then that's going to make more business for the traffickers. That's not to say that writing 'return to sender' on their foreheads and then putting them in the nearest post box is the answer because the traffickers will just other ways.

We shouldn't leave the (sinking) boats drifting at sea and so letting all the migrants die. The EU has to do something.

I wonder how long it will be until Tony Blair offers his consultation services to the African countries that the migrants originate from. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://youtu.be/0M4IKmvSfhU?t=88

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PostPosted: 16:43 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
I can see the logic in refusing entry. If we the worlds civilised countries roll out the red carpet,
then more and more will attempt the journey, and there's way more of them than us... Any way you look at it,
that's not good for anyone. If they are real economic migrants, with useful skills and the means to
support themselves, then they wouldn't be trying to get in via the I also don't doubt
for a second that they want to eventually end up here in soft touch Britain. However they probably
have no idea that there's been a recent change of political climate here and it's one that's unlikely to see
them welcomed them with open armsback door would they? . If they had any idea what an oppressive police state we now live in
(or so some would have you believe Rolling Eyes ) then they'd probably realise they are better off in Somalia.


Maybe someone should tell the thousands of African migrants that travel across plenty of "safe" countries to pitch camp in Calais so they can try and try to get into Britain? The current estimated time for Calais "illegal immigrants" (or "migrants" as the BBC likes to refer to them as), to actually make it across the channel is now 6 months, according to the ones interviewed on the local news. This means that all the ones currently there are expected to be in the UK within 6 months of trying. It makes a mockery of immigration figures.

I fail to believe they want to come to the UK rather than claim asylum in France due to language barriers as French is as, if not more widely spoken in North Africa. What ever the reason that they all want to come to the UK, the message that we're apparently no longer a soft touch, doesn't appear to be making it's way back to their homeland.

If something isn't done to stop them setting off and we start letting them into Europe just because they tried, then the flow will get out of control.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
We shouldn't leave the (sinking) boats drifting at sea and so letting all the migrants die.

I don't follow you.

Oh, unless you mean we should sink them.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:21 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a related side note, why is it that black people often aren't very good at swimming? Genuine question.
Name me a famous black swimmer? Exactly.
I googled the question, and I'm clearly not the first to wonder this.
If I were black, the last place you'd catch me is on an open boat in the ocean.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 21:21 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
why is it that black people often aren't very good at swimming?

Great runners though. Ever seen someone swim away from a burglary?

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PostPosted: 21:24 - 15 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
grr666 wrote:
why is it that black people often aren't very good at swimming?

Great runners though. Ever seen someone swim away from a burglary?

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PostPosted: 00:04 - 16 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bit retarded if they think saving all the refugees will stop the tide of them, what they need to do is drop them back off onto the shore they came from. That is the only way they are going to sort this out.
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PostPosted: 00:53 - 16 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must admit I quite like the idea of reducing the boat to component parts so as to inhibit their use but who can tell the difference between a genuine fishing dhow and a traffickers one before they are filled with people.

Or do we destroy every boat on the north African coast. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 16 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give them food water and tow them back to there coastline, job done.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 16 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Just a related side note, why is it that black people often aren't very good at swimming? Genuine question.
Name me a famous black swimmer? Exactly.
I googled the question, and I'm clearly not the first to wonder this.
If I were black, the last place you'd catch me is on an open boat in the ocean.
http://www.swimmingwithoutstress.co.uk/swimming-blog/black-men-cant-swim


You reminded me of this story:

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/teens-drown-wading-louisianas-red-river/story?id=11312631

"None of us could swim," she said. "They were yelling, 'Help me, help me. Somebody please help me.' It was nothing I could do but watch them drown, one by one."
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 16 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I must admit I quite like the idea of reducing the boat to component parts so as to inhibit their use but who can tell the difference between a genuine fishing dhow and a traffickers one before they are filled with people.

We're already rescuing boatloads of scroungers; the question is what to do with the boats afterwards.
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PostPosted: 01:21 - 17 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kind of annoys me how people make a beeline for Europe instead of trying to help get their own country fixed.

But then again at the same time there are countless Brits jumping ship and leaving the UK because they also want what they believe to be a better life, instead of trying to fix their own country.

I guess everyone is in the same boat.
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PostPosted: 02:48 - 17 May 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
Just a related side note, why is it that black people often aren't very good at swimming? Genuine question.
Name me a famous black swimmer? Exactly.
I googled the question, and I'm clearly not the first to wonder this.
If I were black, the last place you'd catch me is on an open boat in the ocean.
http://www.swimmingwithoutstress.co.uk/swimming-blog/black-men-cant-swim

I hate swimming, not very good at it, so would prefer to not have to try. Going through basic training we had swim sessions, all the non/weak swimmers had to sit out. There was me, a white guy, partial shit swimmer/mostly lazy and there was every other black guy in the entire troop sat beside me.

I'm a pretty good dancer though, so maybe I had some sort of racial stereotype skill swapped when I was young.
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