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PostPosted: 19:45 - 15 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Italy threatens to shut its ports to foreign people smugglers "refugee" "rescuers".

Tough talk, but how would they actually enforce that in practice? Sinking ships full of "refugees" as they enter harbour? Towing them away, as their cargo jumps overboard on camera - and they absolutely will.?


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PostPosted: 21:58 - 15 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Italy plots 'nuclear option' to migrant crisis by giving EU visas to 200,000 incomers and sending them north

And the game of Pass the Pashtun begins.

You don't want to be holding it when the music stops.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 15 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

They haven't seen anything yet. this is the calm before the storm.

Only 80,000 arrivals in Italy so far this year.

"The Italian rescue ship Vos Prudence run by Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) arrives in the port of Salerno carrying 935 migrants, including 16 children and 7 pregnant women on Friday"

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PostPosted: 23:42 - 15 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

French IQ drops 4 points between 1999 and 2009 because... dat's wayciss.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 28 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long, in depth article by a pro-fugee worker about why Afghan migrants in particular are so astonishingly rapey.

tl;dr summary - "a deep and abiding contempt for Western civilization".
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 28 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Long, in depth article by a pro-fugee worker about why Afghan migrants in particular are so astonishingly rapey.

tl;dr summary - "a deep and abiding contempt for Western civilization".


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This brings us to a third, more compelling and quite disturbing theory—the one that my Afghan friend, the court translator, puts forward. On the basis of his hundreds of interactions with these young men in his professional capacity over the past several years, he believes to have discovered that they are motivated by a deep and abiding contempt for Western civilization. To them, Europeans are the enemy, and their women are legitimate spoils, as are all the other things one can take from them: housing, money, passports. Their laws don’t matter, their culture is uninteresting and, ultimately, their civilization is going to fall anyway to the horde of which one is the spearhead. No need to assimilate, or work hard, or try to build a decent life here for yourself—these Europeans are too soft to seriously punish you for a transgression, and their days are numbered.


You missed out the best bits. I couldn't agree more with either statement.
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PostPosted: 07:44 - 29 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

I expect Jewlio will be along in a bit to refute these desperate white lies........
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 29 Jul 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Afghans do have a point. "We" (by which I mean the US and Russia, but all whitey looky same) have collectively funded conflict in their country for decades.

OK, they're tribal savages who have been slaughtering each other long before they'd even heard of Jebus or mahomet or communism or domino theories, but "we" upgraded them from sticks and rocks to shooters and rockets.

It's understandable that they hate us, and to want to inflict the suffering on us that we've inflicted on them.

In fact, their wrath is not only understandable, it's inevitable.

Therefore, what's incomprehensible is why we allow fighting age males from a culture that we are currently slaughtering into our region at all.

Under any sane government, we'd be interning and expelling them, not welcoming them in and then flapping our hands and saying "But, but, why don't they show fawning gratitude?"
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

MSF, Shave the "Children" and other assorted NGO rabble have halted operations in the Med after the Libyan coastguard seamen got salty.

Now, the Libyans have boarded and forcibly seized a water taxi.

The people trafficking could be ended in a week, given the will to do so. It's too early for a proper celebration but looks like the bribes to the Libyans may be starting to thin the swarm. Dance!
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes it is ridiculous how NGO's ignore the fact that they are being used as partners to take advantage of people in need.

Current business in Libya is for immigrants to be boarded in a rubber dinghy and then be towed towards NGO ships patrolling in a known area, wait for NGO ships to rescue the immigrants, and then recover the rubber dinghy while in sight of the NGO ships and go back for the next load.

On the other hand there has been an uptick of pateras (Spanish for boats with illegal immigrants) in the South of Spain, so probably bribes to Morocco will need to be increased.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lupo wrote:
Sometimes it is ridiculous how NGO's ignore the fact that they are being used as partners to take advantage of people in need.



Who in the NGO's? The big wigs likely get a handsome wedge to be Virtue Signaller in Chief, and no doubt it will be a good stepping stone to some highly paid position in either the EU or the UN gravy train for doing good. They are either just careerists, do-gooders who have become corrupted and are now just cynical careerists or know exactly what they are doing and willingly aid George Soros et al to deliberately destroy Western Europe to the same globalist end. The aid workers at the bottom are just useful idiots, with a "Best not say anything lest it hurts genuine refugees" mentality which we've seen far too often before. The middle minions are likely somewhere in between, juggling with cognitive dissonance to a greater or lesser degree as they climb up the career path.

If we had a media that genuinely investigated this charade, instead of willingly aiding it and publishing tear jerkers to play a gullible public for all their worth then he outcry might become loud enough to stop it, but we don't, we just have a parade of careerist cucks to continue and carry on exactly as before.

I'm disappointed that the Libyans only detained the crew for a few days. If they would have instead charged them with aiding people trafficking, and thrown them in a Libyan jail for 10-20 years then the NGO workers would all get the message pretty quick. I'm sure Ahmed in Libyan jail would love to try out some western boy pussy for fun. It would be most educational for the do-gooders concerned. They would really get in touch with the locals and be culturally enriched, maybe even in both holes at the same time.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lupo wrote:
On the other hand there has been an uptick of pateras (Spanish for boats with illegal immigrants) in the South of Spain, so probably bribes to Morocco will need to be increased.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-40886939/boat-full-of-migrants-lands-on-southern-spanish-beach

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PostPosted: 20:59 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious to know what the plan is if the dingy of prosperity lands in Gib?
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 16 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Curious to know what the plan is if the dingy of prosperity lands in Gib?

Beat them with rolled up 4-day-old copies of the Daily Mail.
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PostPosted: 00:44 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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Curious to know what the plan is if the dingy of prosperity lands in Gib?


They often roll into Kent. Some even phoned up once into Folkestone Harbour when the water was knee deep. After the authorities walked out to them, they got off their boat and walked back in for their free lifestyle.


A couple of chancers across the channel is one thing, I'm talking about when the hoardes try getting to espana more often and the guarda civil decide to tow them to the rock as the nearest port because of medical reasons / medical reasons.
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PostPosted: 03:52 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A couple of chancers across the channel is one thing, I'm talking about when the hoardes try getting to espana more often and the guarda civil decide to tow them to the rock as the nearest port because of medical reasons / medical reasons.


They cannot, it is British territorial waters, even in a medical emergency, they will have to look for a Spanish port. Another matter is if the dinghy lands on its own in Gibraltar. Then I presume they could apply for asylum, not that is going to happen as they will be towed back to sea by Gibraltar coastguard.
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PostPosted: 07:52 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lupo wrote:
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A the guarda civil decide to tow them to the rock as the nearest port because of medical reasons

They cannot, it is British territorial waters, even in a medical emergency

Why can they not?

It's your claim to support. What prevents it, de jure, and more importantly, de facto?

Even if it turns out that there's a piece of paper saying is el forbiddeno, a piece of paper doesn't actually stop them doing it, any more than it stops Spanish fishermen trawling in 'our' waters.

It is an interesting conjecture, and I do expect it'll be put to the test sooner or later.
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PostPosted: 08:16 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lupo wrote:
Then I presume they could apply for asylum, not that is going to happen as they will be towed back to sea by Gibraltar coastguard.


Can't see HM coastguard, as tough as may wants to look, proactively intervening to drag an unsafe and overloaded sun lounger back out to sea. As the beach landings in Spain have begun in earnest, it's surely a matter of time before they try to cut out the middle man and head straight to gibralter, or the Spanish get pissed and help them / help them find the right stretch of coast, particularly post brexit, as common eu membership is a big part in Spain keeping its neck wound in to a large degree
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

How would you even go about forcibly towing a dingy full of Dindus? There's no room to board it, and they're not going to throw you a rope, or give a damn about whatever you shout at them. No speak English.

In any case, the modus operandi of water taxis is to just jump overboard or even sink their own boat when a likely looking "rescue" vessel arrives on scene. In this case they guessed wrong, but I can't see the GibMarine repelling them with boarding pikes.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Why can they not?

It's your claim to support. What prevents it, de jure, and more importantly, de facto?

Even if it turns out that there's a piece of paper saying is el forbiddeno, a piece of paper doesn't actually stop them doing it, any more than it stops Spanish fishermen trawling in 'our' waters.

It is an interesting conjecture, and I do expect it'll be put to the test sooner or later.


It will cause a diplomatic incident, even if Spain do not care about it, London will, as the the Guardia Civil is part of the Spanish army, so it is theoretically an invasion.

Then the problem of logistics, Gibraltar is not only tiny but is mostly a rock. Spanish ships will need to get the immigrants aboard and then make them walk the plank in Gibraltar waters. Will take ages.

Towing back to sea you probably are right, but I cannot see Gibraltar taking in illegals immigrants, right now pretty much Spanish Coast Guard and that of Gibraltar shadow each other, so I presume Gibraltar coast guard will no take action and wait for the Spanish to do so.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lupo wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Why can they not?

It's your claim to support. What prevents it, de jure, and more importantly, de facto?

Even if it turns out that there's a piece of paper saying is el forbiddeno, a piece of paper doesn't actually stop them doing it, any more than it stops Spanish fishermen trawling in 'our' waters.

It is an interesting conjecture, and I do expect it'll be put to the test sooner or later.


It will cause a diplomatic incident, even if Spain do not care about it, London will, as the the Guardia Civil is part of the Spanish army, so it is theoretically an invasion.

Then the problem of logistics, Gibraltar is not only tiny but is mostly a rock. Spanish ships will need to get the immigrants aboard and then make them walk the plank in Gibraltar waters. Will take ages.

Towing back to sea you probably are right, but I cannot see Gibraltar taking in illegals immigrants, right now pretty much Spanish Coast Guard and that of Gibraltar shadow each other, so I presume Gibraltar coast guard will no take action and wait for the Spanish to do so.


The Spanish are certainly not afraid of tipping the Ferraro roche tray though are they. Besides, pregnant gimmiedat was chucking and dindu has got a bad leg, much sickness,very urgent. Law of the sea, any port yadda yadda.

They won't need to get them to walk the plank either, just get into territorial waters and bingo! Gibs problem. After all guarda boats shouldn't go in and create aforementioned diplomatic incident. Maybe with enough speed on the cutter they could tow the dingy and cut it loose like Pedro does with the tourists on his flying banana ride on the costa.

And it's precisely the size of the rock that concerns me. If they become gibs problem, other than send them onwards to the Falklands or the isle of man , the only other option will be flats in zone 1 or 2 on the tube.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

TaffyTDM wrote:
The Spanish are certainly not afraid of tipping the Ferraro roche tray though are they. Besides, pregnant gimmiedat was chucking and dindu has got a bad leg, much sickness,very urgent. Law of the sea, any port yadda yadda.

They won't need to get them to walk the plank either, just get into territorial waters and bingo! Gibs problem. After all guarda boats shouldn't go in and create aforementioned diplomatic incident. Maybe with enough speed on the cutter they could tow the dingy and cut it loose like Pedro does with the tourists on his flying banana ride on the costa.

And it's precisely the size of the rock that concerns me. If they become gibs problem, other than send them onwards to the Falklands or the isle of man , the only other option will be flats in zone 1 or 2 on the tube.


Actually Spain has a lot to lose if UK relations go bananas, Britain has the biggest community of Spanish immigrants, and Spain has the biggest community of English immigrants. And Spanish companies have been investing heavily in England too.

Ok, we agreed that towing a dinghy was not feasible. The "law" of the sea is to help a boat with difficulties, nothing to do with ports etc...

When we want to disrupt Gibraltar we just search every person, car and truck that crosses the fence, Gibraltar depends on Spanish goods and workers (more than 12000 workers daily cross the fence). So delays in the crossing generates massive problems and hefty economic loses.
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 17 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lupo wrote:
It will cause a diplomatic incident

Sharia May is a dead Prime Minister walking (in heels). Boris Johnson is our Foreign Secretary.

Are Spain el bovveredo?


Lupo wrote:
Towing back to sea you probably are right, but I cannot see Gibraltar taking in illegals immigrants

They're not going to ask for permission, are they?

You repel them with force, or they swarm in. How do you picture any alternatives scenarios playing out?
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PostPosted: 00:33 - 18 Aug 2017    Post subject: Reply with quote

It will be like the the link you posted about the Tunisian ship, but with a "Keep calm and carry on chaps" while they drown.

Anyway they will need some decent equipment in the boats and navigational skills to hit Gibraltar and when you think that it is roughly 29 miles from Morocco, compared to the 9 miles to the Spanish coast in Tarifa, it does not make much sense from the point of view of the smugglers.
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