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That'll be 2.1 million visits in total, not 2.1 million people each making one visit. With the target of 95% of patients to be admitted / transfered or discharged within four hours, it's better for hospitals to discharge someone after 3 hours 55 minutes knowing full well that the patient will be back again soon than it is to keep them for longer than four hours whilst waiting for a bed on an appropriate ward to become available.
To be exact, there were 2,176,022 a&e attendances in July 2018.
https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/ae-waiting-times-and-activity/ae-attendances-and-emergency-admissions-2018-19/
Of which 1,943,189 were less than 4 hours from arrival to admission, transfer or discharge.
I expect that there's a strong correlation between unnecessary trips to a&e and how close people live to the hospital. It's the summer holidays so there's lots of kids injuring themselves at the moment. |
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| Polarbear wrote: | Agreed.
And if they had £5500 to throw at people smugglers, plus whatever they have spent already, or still have I presume we can say they reasonably had £10000+ when they started.
FFS, I know many many people who live hand to mouth in UK. If they ever have a £100 quid in the bank by the end of the month i's a miracle. £5000 would be like winning the lottery to them.
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The simple answer to your question is plain ignorance.
Many people outside of Europe don't get a realistic picture of what Europe is actually like. Instead they get a filtered view of the world. This is nothing new. 300 years ago America was painted as land where the streets were paved with gold. People bought it when they arrived they found that the reality was very different.
This is not limited to one particular group or another everybody suffers it. Japanese for instance.
Paris is presented as a lovely romantic city and they build an incredibly unrealistic depiction in their heads. When they get there they find it's a city like any other. It's dirty, polluted dotted with homeless people. So much they get sick and the Japanese embassy has to deal with many cases of it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
But back to Africa (this is taken from one of my friends from the Ivory coast)
The image of Europe is based on what people see on TV, what they learn in schools, and NGO staff and workers from developed nations who work in Africa. There are lots of things to be added but it boils down to several things:
 Lack of a full picture of life in Europe. Busy lives, weather, work conditions, basic necessities and how much they cost vs how much people earn. On my travels people think £30,000 oh that must be loads. Yeah well the cost of stuff is a lot higher too cancelling out any real advantage.
Eurocentric education. Francophone countries can be really bad about this. Students in schools tend to know more about Paris and France than their own countries.
Fellow Africans who live in Europe do not help to educate their fellow Africans back home. The “show off” game is very big and very upsetting. This applies to those who have made it and those who are struggling to make ends meet. They will say their lives are great to save face. We saw it on BCF where one guy went to teach illegally in South East Asia. He spent a lot of time BSing us about how his life was great.
Governments failing to inspire their citizens for their future in the country.Imagine every time your president gets sick, they go to London or Paris. Imagine when you see that all the politicians’ children and those from the richest families send their kinds to Europe or the US. Why don't they go to a hospital or school locally?
It pervades in the media too on TV, the English Premier league is the most watched league in Africa. They watch games and keep up with player's salaries, how much is spent on transfers and so on. They hear a player earns £100,000 a week and it's as if this is the norm and not an outlier.
So this is why many Africans cross the Med and spend $10K on trying to make it to Europe at all costs. The $10K could start a very good business or buy a very nice home. Instead they gamble it on a false dream.
This is exacerbated by NGO staff and expatriate staff who work in Africa. They live like kings earning western salaries while living in Africa. Polarbear you've said this yourself about earning oil money in some African country. Imagine earning close to a six figure salary and a bunch of bonuses while working in a developing nation. You really live a decent lifestyle in Africa. Big mansions, big cars, ravish vacations to luxuries hotel, you name it.
An average African assumes that they made all that money in their home countries before coming to Africa. The “LG ( Life is Good in Europe) mentality is very big.
For young people whose education systems has failed with record high unemployment rates, their eyes are faced towards Europe. Those folks are ambitious and want to make the best out of their lives. However, their governments and leaders have failed them big time.
To salt to the injury, their fellow Africans who come to Europe do not give a full view of what life in Europe is. They like to show off big time. Their friends back home who follow us on instagram, facebook and elsewhere, get the idea that they have made it over there when in reality many are faking it.
This is parodied in the film inbetweeners:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7E3V13Wlr4
Many Africans might be struggling to make ends meet. However, when their friends back home ask them the question: “how is life in Europe?”; many Africans will just lie. A fellow African might be homeless in Paris, but they will send their pictures in front of the Eiffel Tower on a borrowed smart phone, just to show off.
In the end, you end up with fellow Africans embarking on desperate journey of shame and mediocrity. Some countries in Africa are very well-developed, but in their minds, any country in Europe is all milk and honey.
Many of those folks don’t know the difference between Portugal and Germany, Hungary and Italy, France and Latvia, Europe is Europe and that’s all that matters.
Given a choice, an African will go to Hungary before Botswana or Mauritius. They just have no idea of the economics of other African countries. The Europe they see on TV based on football, and a few other things is all milk and honey.
Those folks might hear that minimum wage is £10 an hour.
They would convert into local currencies and get excited about the money. They might not know that monthly rent of a one bedroom apartment might be £1, 000.00-£1, 500.00. Without even thinking about work visas, and other legal pathways, they start dreaming and fantasying about Europe.
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The simple answer to your question is plain ignorance. etc.
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It is a logical argument except that, at least in the African countries I have worked in, there is no lack if information on Europe.
Africa is not a communications wilderness it was maybe 20 years ago.
Everyone has access to television. If not in their house the local cafe/bar has one and it's on 24/7 and usually on the BBC news when not on football. They know how much houses cost. They know what it costs for a beer, they know the NHS is free, they know Merkel is a cnut. etc. etc.
There is also the internet. It's available via internet cafes in even some of the most remote villages I have been to.
These people with the £10000 to spend on people smugglers are not savages living in mud huts on the Serengeti. They are relatively educated, informed people who have somehow amassed a large sum of money. You don't do that selling cowshit and you don't do that very easily whichever country you are in.
These people think they can improve their lives living as illegals in Europe. OK, some dirt poor Ethiopian whose half starved might, but not these people with money.
And, if they have that sort of money, buy a plane ticket, 500Nira to the security staff will allow you past, no questions asked. 
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The simple answer to your question is plain ignorance. etc.
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It is a logical argument except that, at least in the African countries I have worked in, there is no lack if information on Europe.
Africa is not a communications wilderness it was maybe 20 years ago.
Everyone has access to television. If not in their house the local cafe/bar has one and it's on 24/7 and usually on the BBC news when not on football. They know how much houses cost. They know what it costs for a beer, they know the NHS is free, they know Merkel is a cnut. etc. etc.
There is also the internet. It's available via internet cafes in even some of the most remote villages I have been to.
These people with the £10000 to spend on people smugglers are not savages living in mud huts on the Serengeti. They are relatively educated, informed people who have somehow amassed a large sum of money. You don't do that selling cowshit and you don't do that very easily whichever country you are in.
These people think they can improve their lives living as illegals in Europe. OK, some dirt poor Ethiopian whose half starved might, but not these people with money.
And, if they have that sort of money, buy a plane ticket, 500Nira to the security staff will allow you past, no questions asked. |
Do you not think that some of them are indebted to the smugglers once they've shipped them over, and have to work to pay for it once here, whether drugs, prostitution, crime etc. ?
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| Polarbear wrote: | | Itchy wrote: |
The simple answer to your question is plain ignorance. etc.
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It is a logical argument except that, at least in the African countries I have worked in, there is no lack if information on Europe.
Africa is not a communications wilderness it was maybe 20 years ago.
Everyone has access to television. If not in their house the local cafe/bar has one and it's on 24/7 and usually on the BBC news when not on football. They know how much houses cost. They know what it costs for a beer, they know the NHS is free, they know Merkel is a cnut. etc. etc.
There is also the internet. It's available via internet cafes in even some of the most remote villages I have been to.
These people with the £10000 to spend on people smugglers are not savages living in mud huts on the Serengeti. They are relatively educated, informed people who have somehow amassed a large sum of money. You don't do that selling cowshit and you don't do that very easily whichever country you are in.
These people think they can improve their lives living as illegals in Europe. OK, some dirt poor Ethiopian whose half starved might, but not these people with money.
And, if they have that sort of money, buy a plane ticket, 500Nira to the security staff will allow you past, no questions asked. |
Exactly. If they had nothing to hide from UK border force, they would fly to Gatwick and disappear into the black economy.
These scumbags are criminals, not victims. The crime rate increase backs up this suggestion. Every place high in immigration, legal or not, is becoming a third world violent shit hole in this country.
“All part and parcel of living in a multicultural city”, apparently.
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The flow will never stop until they get sent back to where they come from. As soon as they set foot in Europe, the several thousand they paid to be illegally smuggled here, gives them permanent residence.
Within a couple of months, many will be in the UK via French ports.
This won't stop until you make the journey a waste of time and money.
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