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| Polarbear wrote: | I saw a piece on the news yesterday that said these were rich educated Iranians that had spend upwards of £45000 to people smugglers to get them as far as Calais.
I really don't get that. If they were that well off, get a visitors visa, get a flight to UK and then apply for asylum once they are in (or even disappear into the black society when they get here)
If what the news said is true it makes absolutely no sense. |
There's usually a sodding good reason why they need to sneak undetected into the UK. Otherwise, like you said, they could save £44,500 and just run up on a tourist visa.
The same goes for all these "Iranians" arriving by boat across the Channel, who all miraculously arrive with no ID papers. All are reportedly paying £10,000 to be smuggled near enough to phone in the UK border force water taxis.
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Just out of curiosity, how do you know that they will be given Nat Ins numbers?
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| Diggs wrote: | Just out of curiosity, how do you know that they will be given Nat Ins numbers? |
Oh sorry, they’ll be self funding their free existence. Silly me.
It must have been awful to have to pay £10,000 to flee war torn France so you can come here illegally with no ID or papers and make up a new identity under the radar of Interpol.
I mean it’s not like genuine tourists can fly here from Iran in a visa can they? Wise up, these people are not the victims, they’re known criminals who can’t get here legally, so need a new identity in a country with no I’d cards and a very generous benefits system.
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Mdf you didn't answer my question, instead chose your usual route of a rant. How do you know that they are criminals known to Interpol?
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MCN it is a game I play with our resident genius/far right-wing social commentator. I get his name wrong and every now and then he boo's about it and calls me Shirley or something similar. I think he likes the attention...
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| Quote: | why do you think they don't take the much safer and far cheaper route of arriving on a tourist Visa via Gatwick? |
Why are Iranians crossing the Channel in dinghies?
The Home Office has refused to publish official figures, but the BBC has established that at least that number have entered British shores since the start of the month.
Without fail, the migrants have told officials they are Iranian.
British and French authorities, under pressure to stem the rise in boat trips before a life is lost, face several questions.
Why have so many boats set off for the coast of Kent? What can be done to stop it? And why are all the occupants apparently from the Middle Eastern country?
The answer to the last question could lie 1,200 miles away in the Serbian capital of Belgrade.
Miodrag Ćakić, chief executive of Refugee Aid Serbia, which monitors migration through the Balkans, believes migrants arriving in the UK are among the thousands who flew into Serbia after the country began offering visa-free access to Iranians in August last year.
The move was ostensibly intended to increase tourism and trade between Iran, the world's 25th largest economy, and Serbia, the 90th.
The visa scheme - which attracted allegations it was being abused by migrants seeking access to western Europe - ended on 17 October, by which time some 40,000 Iranians were said to have flown to the Balkan nation.
It is unknown how many returned home, but according to the Associated Press, local media reported that direct flights from Tehran to Belgrade had been arriving full and returning empty.
According to Info Park, a refugee support centre in Belgrade, Serbian police estimate the number of Iranians who failed to return at 12,000.
Mr Ćakić said it was believed within the refugee community that Iranians were using "false passports and more complex methods" to enter western Europe.
They arrived better prepared for the journey ahead and would stay in hostels or hotels.
Meanwhile, refugees from countries such as Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, travelled thousands of kilometres on foot and ended up living on the streets or in derelict buildings across Belgrade.
Compared to fellow migrants, the Iranians looked "more like tourists... they were kids in hoodies and jeans, with backpacks", said Gordan Paunovic, of Info Park.
"Many of [the Iranians] were travelling with fake passports, which were costing between 3,000 to 6,000 euros in Istanbul.
"They didn't share the normal fate of refugees and migrants who have a very hard time in the Balkans. They would not be forced to sleep rough or go to refugee centres like the other people.
"They were here for a month, staying in hotels, and would find a smuggler to make other arrangements."
ranians may be set apart from fellow migrants by their economic prosperity, yet for many living under the repressive regime, life is far from easy.
Kaveh Kalantri, of the Iranian Association, which supports refugees in the UK, said a lack of freedom and human rights violations were driving some Iranians out.
"People get arrested if they have liberal or left-wing views, or if they are from religious minorities. A lot of people experience violence on a daily basis."
Since the Islamic Revolution in 1979, it has been estimated that between 150,000 and 200,000 Iranians have left the country every year.
In the past two years, Iranian citizens have made more UK asylum applications than any other nationality, according to Home Office figures. In 2017, they accounted for 9% of the 26,350 applications.
"Iranians coming to the UK is not unusual, but the way they are coming is," Mr Kalantri said.
One theory as to why Iranians are choosing to risk their lives on boats stems from their comparative wealth - simply put, they can afford to pay smuggling gangs to get them onboard a vessel.
Maya Konforti, of L'Auberge des Migrants, a refugee support group in Calais, described the attempted crossings as "the speciality of Iranians".
"Crossing by boat can only be done by people who have some money. Africans don't have any left by the time they arrive in Calais," she said.
"There is a new influx of Iranians arriving in Calais. They seem to be the only ones who both dare to do it and find the means to do so."
Mr Ćakić suggested Iranians heading for Kent had entered the EU via Serbia.
"I don't see any other explanation. Serbia was the only country on the Balkan Route that had a significant number of Iranians."
Not everyone believes all the migrants are Iranian. Prof Adib-Moghaddam, from the Centre for Iranian Studies at SOAS University of London, suspects most of them are of Afghan origin.
However, immigration specialist Emma Nawaz said she "could not see what benefit they would achieve by falsely saying that they are Iranian".
Regardless, the "surge" in attempts is being fuelled by "organised criminal and mafia networks" in France, according to Ingrid Parrot, who works for the Maritime prefecture - the Border Force equivalent based in Cherbourg.
She said there had been 30 attempted crossings in 2018, 12 in 2017, and 23 the year before.
The majority failed because the vessels were too small - mostly canoes, dinghies and "makeshift" boats - but several attempts in 2018 have been made in pleasure crafts and speedboats, which have seen a spike in thefts.
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Ste - I work from home a lot and can go for hours without talking to anybody (my choice). Having running conversations with people on't web whilst I work provides me with entertainment, and generally speaking assuming a left-wing standpoint on your primarily right-wing forum provides me with interesting conversation.
Mdma is an easy target I admit because his views are extreme and he has little knowledge about anything, instead he relies upon Google, prejudice, urban myths and when all that fails, good old shouting to make his points.
There are some people on here who know far more about 'shit' than I do, so I don't bait them. Mdf on the other hand is fair game...
Is it 'fun'? Does it matter?
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Like a muppet I actually googled that.
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| Diggs wrote: | Mdma is an easy target I admit because his views are extreme and he has little knowledge about anything, instead he relies upon Google, prejudice, urban myths and when all that fails, good old shouting to make his points.
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Which, of course is purely just your opinion, but we all know that your opinion must be taken as fact, with nothing to back it up.
That's how lefties work. They're right, everyone else is wrong and they don't need to justify their infallible opinion.
If proved wrong, you just back pedal furiously and move the goalposts - another well used leftie debating tactic, much like constant race cards to try to silence opposing viewpoints.
Try countering my views with factual inks, not just opinion pre-programmed into you.
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An interesting point of view from our Kentish political correspondent, which deserves consideration.
May I ask - are you familiar with the term 'reactionary'? I assume you will google it, so I know you will be before you answer. Can you tell me whether Left or the Right is considered a 'reactionary' viewpoint?
Ok. That is straightforward. Now, can you tell me whether left or right has the 'infallible opinion' that doesn't need justifying because traditionally it defends the status quo and merely reacts to change?
Ok. Now examine your statement, "That's how lefties work. They're right, everyone else is wrong and they don't need to justify their infallible opinion" in the context of the answers you have just given, and tell me if you see a contradiction.
Alternatively you can ignore it and keep on shouting.
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If it comes to 'last man standing' I won't win. My need for meaningful debate isn't that great...
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It does seem a bit extreme for national news. As M.C. says, it does sound mild. Back in my day, being shoved to the ground and having water squirted in one's face was a good day. A bad day was when the bottle was full of piss...
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I've found the video but some viewers will find it distressing!!!
https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/28/huge-fundraiser-for-syrian-refugee-waterboarded-by-school-bullies-8185679/
And I've found the Go Fund Me page that is mentioned in the article.
£77,932 of £100,000 goal
A video has been circulating the internet of a child being bullied at his school. He already has a broken arm as you can see in the video and he was thrown to the ground, choked and water boarded.
The victim Jamal is a refugee in the UK who has been subject to months of bullying along with his little sister. To the point where his little sister has broken the lenses in her glasses and attempted to cut her own wrists in school toilets.
Jamal's family are refugees in the UK and they struggle to meet the basic necessities of life. We want to raise money for the family to ease their situation and hopefully they can use the funds to help improve their quality of life and to put a smile on their faces. Having left a war torn country, the least they deserve is to live in peace without being harassed. Please donate generously and let’s change this horrible situation into a blessing in disguise for them.
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| M.C wrote: | | Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote: | https://news.sky.com/story/syrian-schoolboy-viciously-attacked-by-pupil-as-police-investigate-11565400
Seems like they're all cowardly shithouses from Huddersfield, wouldn't you say? |
The victim is seen walking across a field when a fellow pupil appears to shove him to the ground and squirt water in his face while saying: "I'll drown you".
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Ask yourself this. If the kid being bullied was just another white kid, would the national media would have gone ape over it, or whether virtue signallers of the UK united, would have thrown £80,000 or cash at him?
I think we all know the answer to that one.
Where there's BAME, there's a story. That looks no different to the shit which goes on every single day at every school in the country. The only difference here is the ethnicity of the victim which suddenly makes is a national outcry and a thick end of £100K virtue signalling campaign.
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