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PostPosted: 03:06 - 01 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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You do talk some shite. Australia's policy of dealing with boat migrants had a massive effect on flow. Only an idiot would not have noticed that.

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The rate of arrivals by boat, the most controversial aspect of Australia's refugee policy, has been exceptionally volatile. It reached a peak of 20,587 people in 2013 (excluding crew), before falling again to zero two years later



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Over 20,000 to 0 in 2 years. Guess the policy worked.


Is that the 'official' line? Rolling Eyes

Funny that you'll believe the line from another country where you have absolutely no idea of what goes on, yet don't believe the same from your own.

Funny that.
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PostPosted: 23:59 - 04 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Migrant crisis: Illegal entries to EU at lowest level in five years - it seems if you stop rescuing them they stop coming Thinking
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 05 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
There was also an interesting line in that article:

The agency also gathered data on the gender and ages of those caught trying to enter the EU illegally.
Women accounted for 18% of them, it says, while nearly one in five said they were under the age of 18.

It's funny how the media always like to play the family angle...
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 05 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's strange, won't countries who have taken a lot of migrants in (ie Germany) be massively skewing their demographics, so they'll end up like China or India?
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 05 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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It's strange, won't countries who have taken a lot of migrants in (ie Germany) be massively skewing their demographics, so they'll end up like China or India?


Conversely, there must be whole areas with just mainly women left in parts of Africa and the Middle East.

That should help the birth rate then Smile
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 05 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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There was also an interesting line in that article:

The agency also gathered data on the gender and ages of those caught trying to enter the EU illegally.
Women accounted for 18% of them, it says, while nearly one in five said they were under the age of 18.

It's funny how the media always like to play the family angle...


It doesn't sound as cuddly if you describe them as 82% adult males.


Fancy going back to school to learn your maths?
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 05 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
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It doesn't sound as cuddly if you describe them as 82% adult males.


Fancy going back to school to learn your maths?

TBF it said 'while nearly one in five said they were under the age of 18' (which I assume includes women), based on the amount of child migrants that turn out not to be you know... children I'd confidently put the real figure at 70 something percent.
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Fancy going back to school to learn your maths?

TBF it said 'while nearly one in five said they were under the age of 18' (which I assume includes women), based on the amount of child migrants that turn out not to be you know... children I'd confidently put the real figure at 70 something percent.


Oh, so definitely 82% then. Rolling Eyes
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If every single one of them lied about being a child, then yes Smile It's still a high percentage of men and the demographic point still applies.
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PostPosted: 16:21 - 05 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jewlio Rides Again LLB wrote:
M.C wrote:

TBF it said 'while nearly one in five said they were under the age of 18' (which I assume includes women), based on the amount of child migrants that turn out not to be you know... children I'd confidently put the real figure at 70 something percent.


Oh, so definitely 82% then. Rolling Eyes


In truth, percentages of young adult males, women, children, old people, goats, whatever, isn't really the point anymore for me. When a significant proportion of a nation's population could reasonably claim asylum seeker status due to war, government or religious or whatever persecution, should other countries still take them all in? Where do you draw the line? Not at all?
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 05 Jan 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote
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In truth, percentages of young adult males, women, children, old people, goats, whatever, isn't really the point anymore for me. When a significant proportion of a nation's population could reasonably claim asylum seeker status due to war, government or religious or whatever persecution, should other countries still take them all in? Where do you draw the line? Not at all?

AFAIK Britain at least used to (not sure if they still do) offer asylum to anyone from a war torn country. It sounds great doesn't it, except for when I was growing up the group you really had to watch out for were Somalians (or Somalis whatever the correct term is). Before I'm accused of being raciss, they always seemed to be more violent, and always seemed more willing to stab people.

A Somalian guy I knew explained it to me, that they were coming from a war torn country, had experienced some horrible shit, and genuinely didn't care if they lived or died, or more to the point didn't care whether you lived or died. Obviously I've met nice Somalis but that doesn't change the fact me and my mates very nearly met a violent end at the hands of people we cheerfully let in.
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In truth, percentages of young adult males, women, children, old people, goats, whatever, isn't really the point anymore for me. When a significant proportion of a nation's population could reasonably claim asylum seeker status due to war, government or religious or whatever persecution, should other countries still take them all in? Where do you draw the line? Not at all?

AFAIK Britain at least used to (not sure if they still do) offer asylum to anyone from a war torn country. It sounds great doesn't it, except for when I was growing up the group you really had to watch out for were Somalians (or Somalis whatever the correct term is). Before I'm accused of being raciss, they always seemed to be more violent, and always seemed more willing to stab people.

A Somalian guy I knew explained it to me, that they were coming from a war torn country, had experienced some horrible shit, and genuinely didn't care if they lived or died, or more to the point didn't care whether you lived or died. Obviously I've met nice Somalis but that doesn't change the fact me and my mates very nearly met a violent end at the hands of people we cheerfully let in.


I'm not arguing that it isn't the case that these "asylum seekers" very often do seem to be young adult males who are not exactly always going to be the most humble and law-abiding types, either desensitised by experience, or just plain extremist in outlook, and I agree with your concerns on the matter. But really, what when many millions could legitimately claim to be seeking asylum under current criteria of definition, peaceful in intent or otherwise?
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If you look at it purely from a dispassionate numbers point of view, we have too many people, and we shouldn't be letting more in. My little story was more because we're constantly told we're dehumanising migrants, when I'm not. If you could somehow tell the nice ones from the wrong 'uns I'd be all for it, but as far as I can tell it's a complete crapshoot.

I think it's easy for certain people to be pro-something which doesn't affect their community.
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If you could somehow tell the nice ones from the wrong 'uns I'd be all for it


I would if it was a few people from here and there, now and again. But the sheer potential scale of it is just too much. Syria, Libya, Yemen, various countries of the African continent...surely it makes more sense to try to solve the problems they're fleeing from, in their own countries?

Yes, I know, what when you can't solve those problems? Oh well, just offer a welcome to whole populations elsewhere. Nope, sorry, I can't support that view.
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Wealth inequality? The problem is you can work your arse off and only just survive in a shack in most of those countries, where here you can sit on your arse and do nothing, yet live a far superior existence, with everything provided to you for free, courtesy of those who do work.

They see the UK and countries like Germany as lands of milk and honey where everything is given to you for free. They're largely correct as Germany has found out. Many have no intention of working because they're quite happy with the standard of living for doing sweet FA.


I daresay a large proportion of them are economic migrants, and a good proportion of those are potential scroungers. But I wasn't really talking about them. Even if you only considered those who actually had reason to flee their own countries because of war and persecution, it'd still be a massive problem to accommodate them elsewhere. You can't just go on doing so year after year, even supposedly wealthy countries.

As for us in the UK, I said it elsewhere: we must base who we let in on our needs, not theirs. I think it is time for a hiatus in accepting any genuine asylum seekers even, until we can sort some of our own problems, and with Brexit looming, we are constantly told it'll be us in need of hand-outs soon. In fact, many of us already are. How can people already on their knees help others?
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I daresay a large proportion of them are economic migrants, and a good proportion of those are potential scroungers. But I wasn't really talking about them. Even if you only considered those who actually had reason to flee their own countries because of war and persecution, it'd still be a massive problem to accommodate them elsewhere. You can't just go on doing so year after year, even supposedly wealthy countries.

As for us in the UK, I said it elsewhere: we must base who we let in on our needs, not theirs. I think it is time for a hiatus in accepting any genuine asylum seekers even, until we can sort some of our own problems, and with Brexit looming, we are constantly told it'll be us in need of hand-outs soon. In fact, many of us already are. How can people already on their knees help others?

Well that's the thing, we're basically hastening our decline, unless you're one of these people who think a country can sustain an indefinite amount of people.

I guess the pro-migration side are fine with this, reducing our quality of life so another group can have a better one, or rather more worryingly they think we deserve to eventually become a third world country.
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I think it's easy for certain people to be pro-something which doesn't affect their community.


Well, they got the EU referendum result. Do they really think it doesn't affect their community? Laughing
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Probably off topic as not technically boat migrants but... M6 delays after [27] people found in lorry.
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Yup bringing them in by the lorry load now.
I thought they did mega checks for lorries???
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