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PostPosted: 12:53 - 30 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most black market employers will be connected to drugs, people smuggling and fraud somewhere along the lines.


If by this you mean all the hand car-wash businesses that have sprung up, plus thousands of take-aways and barbers in places where the market seemed saturated years ago, then you may have a point.

However, there are also the farms, building companies, private hire operators, landscape firms, waste recyclers etc that pay cash in hand because they receive some of their income as non-invoiced cash payments. These aren't necessarily connected to drugs or crime in the sense I think you mean.
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PostPosted: 13:27 - 30 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok. Think about it this way. How many people on this forum have worked for somebody cash-in-hand at some point in their lives? Would that be everybody perchance? Are all those employers people-smugglers, drug dealers or fraudsters?

One does not necessarily equate to the other in the real world Smile
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 30 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
Would that be everybody perchance?


Nope, I never have.
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 30 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
Waste recyclers who won't pay tax but don't fly tip? Yeah right...



That isn't how the recycling industry works in this country. Most of it is undertaken by multi-million pound companies, who make profit by charging people/companies/Local Authorities for removal of their waste, sorting it and selling whatever is economic to recycle at that point in time, then disposing of the residual via landfill, incineration or as is more usual nowadays, a combination of the two. Nowhere in the business model is provision to fly-tip a Transit-full thus jeopardising the whole of the operation!!!

People who work cash-in-hand for these companies are usually employed on picking belts. It isn't skilled, it is dirty and unpleasant and it doesn't pay well. The cash to pay them comes from cash sales of recycled materials such as plastics, metal, clean wood, fabrics etc.

Without people working on the belts, the cost of your skips would go up because this is where the business touches the public.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 30 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
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Ok. Think about it this way. How many people on this forum have worked for somebody cash-in-hand at some point in their lives? Would that be everybody perchance? Are all those employers people-smugglers, drug dealers or fraudsters?

One does not necessarily equate to the other in the real world Smile


There's a world of difference between washing your Dad's car and a Pakistani owned restaurant harbouring illegal immigrants on board and cheap cash in hand wages.

I'm not surprised why, as a militant Liberal, you fail to see this.


Of course there is. There is also a world of difference between washing your dad's car and doing many of the jobs people do in the real world like labouring, working behind a bar, working in freezing sheds on farms during the winter season, bike instructing etc, all of which I have done cash in hand at different points in my life (allegedly...)….
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 30 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. I said 'most', i'e. most of the waste we create as opposed to a 'man with a van'.

2. At no point have I claimed that all employees working on picking belts are illegal immigrants, only that some are employed cash-in-hand.

3. The point is, if people working for recycling firms were all paid through the books, to maintain its margin the firm would either have to raise its price to the consumer or incinerate more/take less to landfill, neither of which scenarios is in the national interest.

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PostPosted: 09:31 - 31 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
1. I said 'most', i'e. most of the waste we create as opposed to a 'man with a van'.

2. At no point have I claimed that all employees working on picking belts are illegal immigrants, only that some are employed cash-in-hand.

3. The point is, if people working for recycling firms were all paid through the books, to maintain its margin the firm would either have to raise its price to the consumer or incinerate more/take less to landfill, neither of which scenarios is in the national interest.

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The risk associated with cash transactions and HMRC non-compliance isn't worth it for any decent sized company. The only company I've known of that paid cash was a farming company that had a lot of immigrant seasonal workers. The first week they arrived a lot of them wouldn't have set up a UK bank account so they got paid cash and by week two if they didn't have a bank account they didn't get paid.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 31 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

The scrap metal industry is rife with cash payment. Sure it's been tidied up a little lately but I can guarantee that almost every yard will have a drawer stuffed with paper money.
It links in with smaller waste operations such as skip hire. I think this is what some here are trying to say?

I've also seen corner shop keepers visiting cash and carry warehouses and paying for a van full of cigarettes in cash. Are there not some religions which mistrust banks?

Edit: The fishing industry too.
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 31 Oct 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:

Feel free to keep digging your hole though.


I can only go by what I have been told by a long time friend and client of mine, who owns and operates a multi-million pound skip hire and waste recycling operation.

Of course I can't speak for Biffa, you plum.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 06 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

AldridgePrior wrote:
Programme on Channel 4 just now (1.30am) called Smuggled. Its a documentary challenge type show where people (mostly non white) try and sneak into the UK. Channel 4 have made a show masquerading as a documentary/drama but to me it's an aired advertisement of how easy it is to get here from France.

Thanks to our (((media))) we are showcasing how simple it is to stroll straight in to the UK. An open invite on our national tv.


On the flip side, you'd like to think that if it's that easy, there'll be public outrage, and something might get done about it...


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PostPosted: 11:29 - 06 Nov 2019    Post subject: Reply with quote

mpd72 wrote:
This is it though. With the amount getting getting caught, in order for people to go to all the effort and cost, there must be a pretty high chance of making it successfully.


Look at the Vietnamese ones. Some relatives believeing they're familiy members may still be alive because there were what, 3 trucks bringing them over, not just the 1

And that's just 1 incident we know about
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