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Posted: 12:40 - 30 Oct 2019 Post subject: |
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Easy-X wrote: | I learnt a thing!
(TBF I probably could have worked this out myself but anyway...)
We need black market, immigrant labour in this country!
"What?! We have loads of unemployed people in this country, let them do the work!!!"
Accept we haven't. Yes, we do have people that are described as "unemployed" for various statistics but there are loads of jobs they can't do. And I'm not talking rocket-scientist or CEO - I'm talking casual labour.
Would you like to go fruit picking for a few weeks next summer? If you're a student maybe it's viable but if you're on the dole you literally cannot consider it. If you declare it then all your dole money is fucked for months and if you don't and the job centre finds out you'll get sanctioned and then you're royally fucked.
Stop bitching about the immigrants doing work that needs to get done and start bitching about a welfare state that actively discourages the indigenous population from working. And don't get me started on Universal Credit |
We tend to import illegal and legal immigrant who's trade and profession is crime though. That tends to make the country worse.
Most black market employers will be connected to drugs, people smuggling and fraud somewhere along the lines. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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mpd72 wrote: |
Most black market employers will be connected to drugs, people smuggling and fraud somewhere along the lines. |
If by this you mean all the hand car-wash businesses that have sprung up, plus thousands of take-aways and barbers in places where the market seemed saturated years ago, then you may have a point.
However, there are also the farms, building companies, private hire operators, landscape firms, waste recyclers etc that pay cash in hand because they receive some of their income as non-invoiced cash payments. These aren't necessarily connected to drugs or crime in the sense I think you mean. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Posted: 13:00 - 30 Oct 2019 Post subject: |
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Diggs wrote: | mpd72 wrote: |
Most black market employers will be connected to drugs, people smuggling and fraud somewhere along the lines. |
If by this you mean all the hand car-wash businesses that have sprung up, plus thousands of take-aways and barbers in places where the market seemed saturated years ago, then you may have a point.
However, there are also the farms, building companies, private hire operators, landscape firms, waste recyclers etc that pay cash in hand because they receive some of their income as non-invoiced cash payments. These aren't necessarily connected to drugs or crime in the sense I think you mean. |
If they avoid paying tax and employ illegal immigrants, what other laws are they not bothered about too? Waste recyclers who won't pay tax but don't fly tip? Yeah right...
Many of the UK people convicted of people smuggling, end up being bosses of construction firms, farms, fast food restaurants, cockle pickers etc, with access to money to buy boats. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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Posted: 13:27 - 30 Oct 2019 Post subject: |
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Ok. Think about it this way. How many people on this forum have worked for somebody cash-in-hand at some point in their lives? Would that be everybody perchance? Are all those employers people-smugglers, drug dealers or fraudsters?
One does not necessarily equate to the other in the real world ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
Gone (in order of ownership) - Raleigh Runabout, AP50, KH125, GP125, KH250, CBX550, Z400, CB750FII, 250LC, GS550, ZXR750H1, Guzzi Targa, GSX750F, KH250 x2, Bimota SB6R and counting... |
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mpd72 wrote: | Waste recyclers who won't pay tax but don't fly tip? Yeah right...
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That isn't how the recycling industry works in this country. Most of it is undertaken by multi-million pound companies, who make profit by charging people/companies/Local Authorities for removal of their waste, sorting it and selling whatever is economic to recycle at that point in time, then disposing of the residual via landfill, incineration or as is more usual nowadays, a combination of the two. Nowhere in the business model is provision to fly-tip a Transit-full thus jeopardising the whole of the operation!!!
People who work cash-in-hand for these companies are usually employed on picking belts. It isn't skilled, it is dirty and unpleasant and it doesn't pay well. The cash to pay them comes from cash sales of recycled materials such as plastics, metal, clean wood, fabrics etc.
Without people working on the belts, the cost of your skips would go up because this is where the business touches the public. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
Gone (in order of ownership) - Raleigh Runabout, AP50, KH125, GP125, KH250, CBX550, Z400, CB750FII, 250LC, GS550, ZXR750H1, Guzzi Targa, GSX750F, KH250 x2, Bimota SB6R and counting... |
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mpd72 wrote: | Diggs wrote: | Ok. Think about it this way. How many people on this forum have worked for somebody cash-in-hand at some point in their lives? Would that be everybody perchance? Are all those employers people-smugglers, drug dealers or fraudsters?
One does not necessarily equate to the other in the real world |
There's a world of difference between washing your Dad's car and a Pakistani owned restaurant harbouring illegal immigrants on board and cheap cash in hand wages.
I'm not surprised why, as a militant Liberal, you fail to see this. |
Of course there is. There is also a world of difference between washing your dad's car and doing many of the jobs people do in the real world like labouring, working behind a bar, working in freezing sheds on farms during the winter season, bike instructing etc, all of which I have done cash in hand at different points in my life (allegedly...)…. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
Gone (in order of ownership) - Raleigh Runabout, AP50, KH125, GP125, KH250, CBX550, Z400, CB750FII, 250LC, GS550, ZXR750H1, Guzzi Targa, GSX750F, KH250 x2, Bimota SB6R and counting... |
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Posted: 14:23 - 30 Oct 2019 Post subject: |
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Diggs wrote: |
That isn't how the recycling industry works in this country. Most of it is undertaken by multi-million pound companies, who make profit by charging people/companies/Local Authorities for removal of their waste, sorting it and selling whatever is economic to recycle at that point in time, then disposing of the residual via landfill, incineration or as is more usual nowadays, a combination of the two. Nowhere in the business model is provision to fly-tip a Transit-full thus jeopardising the whole of the operation!!! |
That's bull. Plenty of dodgy lower end waste collectors fly tip. Who else do you think dumps the 20 mattresses down a country lane, the milkman? The top end is often done in China, who charge us then accidentally dump it back in the sea.
Diggs wrote: | People who work cash-in-hand for these companies are usually employed on picking belts. It isn't skilled, it is dirty and unpleasant and it doesn't pay well. The cash to pay them comes from cash sales of recycled materials such as plastics, metal, clean wood, fabrics etc. |
Oh really, what's the name of your recycling firm? Out local plant is ran by Biffa and I seriously doubt the employees there are illegal immigrants, working cash in hand. These are not fly by night forms winning the country council contracts and strict checks on their employees will be made.
Diggs wrote: | Without people working on the belts, the cost of your skips would go up because this is where the business touches the public. |
You've lost me? What point are you making? That recycling rather than landfill makes things cheaper? Who else would sort the stuff not sorted my mechanical means? ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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1. I said 'most', i'e. most of the waste we create as opposed to a 'man with a van'.
2. At no point have I claimed that all employees working on picking belts are illegal immigrants, only that some are employed cash-in-hand.
3. The point is, if people working for recycling firms were all paid through the books, to maintain its margin the firm would either have to raise its price to the consumer or incinerate more/take less to landfill, neither of which scenarios is in the national interest.
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Diggs wrote: | 1. I said 'most', i'e. most of the waste we create as opposed to a 'man with a van'.
2. At no point have I claimed that all employees working on picking belts are illegal immigrants, only that some are employed cash-in-hand.
3. The point is, if people working for recycling firms were all paid through the books, to maintain its margin the firm would either have to raise its price to the consumer or incinerate more/take less to landfill, neither of which scenarios is in the national interest.
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The risk associated with cash transactions and HMRC non-compliance isn't worth it for any decent sized company. The only company I've known of that paid cash was a farming company that had a lot of immigrant seasonal workers. The first week they arrived a lot of them wouldn't have set up a UK bank account so they got paid cash and by week two if they didn't have a bank account they didn't get paid. |
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Diggs wrote: | 1. I said 'most', i'e. most of the waste we create as opposed to a 'man with a van'.
2. At no point have I claimed that all employees working on picking belts are illegal immigrants, only that some are employed cash-in-hand.
3. The point is, if people working for recycling firms were all paid through the books, to maintain its margin the firm would either have to raise its price to the consumer or incinerate more/take less to landfill, neither of which scenarios is in the national interest.
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So you know many of the employees at my local Biffa contracted council recycling plant are cash in hand? I'd love to know how you're such an expert on my local recycling centre.
I know people who work their and have never heard of this. You;re the expert though, maybe you can enlighten us to how you know so much about my local council recycling centre.
A company as large as Biffa, employing people cash in hand at a council recycling centre, on a site with all the other council services and staff? Bollocks. You really do talk some sh1te sometimes.
Feel free to keep digging your hole though. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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mpd72 wrote: |
Feel free to keep digging your hole though. |
I can only go by what I have been told by a long time friend and client of mine, who owns and operates a multi-million pound skip hire and waste recycling operation.
Of course I can't speak for Biffa, you plum. ____________________ Now - Speed Triple, old ratty GS550, GSXR750M
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Diggs wrote: |
I can only go by what I have been told by a long time friend and client of mine, who owns and operates a multi-million pound skip hire and waste recycling operation. |
Which is not what I was talking about was it Trigger?
Diggs wrote: | Of course I can't speak for Biffa, you plum. |
Well don't pretend you know all about my local centre operated by them then, you plum.
Is that the sound of a back pedal? Can you remember the original point, before you started arguing the toss over something you've just admitted you were wrong over?
The type of businesses who will pay cash in hand, off the books are the very same who'll employ illegal immigrant black market labour.
Contrary to what you claimed, this is very unlikely to include my local council recycling centre. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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This is it though. With the amount getting getting caught, in order for people to go to all the effort and cost, there must be a pretty high chance of making it successfully.
I'm thinking hundreds, if not into the low thousands arrive every day, not the feeble figure the government pretend they think is happening. I often see them walking up the hard shoulder of the M20, even as far up as Ashford. It's common to see them climbing out of lorries at services on the South side of Maidstone and at J11.
For one, the residents of the camps in Calais claim the average time taken to enter the UK is 6 months. There are over 5,000 in these camps, so that's 10,000 a year minimum from Calais alone, just one tiny part of the problem. That's why the French leave them be instead of dealing with them. They know that they'll soon be out problem. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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