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 Posted: 06:37 - 14 May 2015 Post subject: The French are at it again |
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The french have passed a law making it mandatory for all bikes, trikes and quads to carry a high vis vest from 1st jan 2016.
Vests have to be carried for rider and any passenger and it must be within easy reach and worn in case of breakdown or accident.
It is only 11 euros fine for not having a vest but, if you are stopped on the roadside broken down and don't have one, it's 135 euros fine.
The FFMC are as always, on the case and i expect there will be more large scale protests in Paris coming up soon.
The wearing of headphones is a 135 euro fine as well, carrying a phone in hand is the same fine and and 3 points off your licence, obviously the points only applies if you have a french licence.
bluetooth kits are ok. ____________________ Nobby the Bastard: How yo tell the difference between the actual japanese and her just screaming because she's had live fish stuck up her arse? [url=https://www.nicks-shop.co.uk/bcf-goodies-15-c.aspGet BCF stickers and things here[/url] Reflective helmet stickers - Legal requirement in france - Clicky |
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They will be fining for wearing earplugs next.
Les voleurs. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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^^^ Still all a bit over the top isn't it?
They are different classes of vehicle though aren't they so different rules for either type isn't an
inconceivable notion? Would you be okay if they said we had to carry a spare wheel and a hazard
triangle as well? After all it just brings bikes into line with their car policy. They'll have us putting those
god awful reflective ugly stickers all over our bikes next.
Is it just me who thinks all this fine money pays for La police française fête de noël
Side question, Can you acquire points on a UK licence in France then?
I honestly thought all they
could do (and do do ) was fine UK citizens...
Edit spare wheels aren't compulsory apparently, just asked my neighbour who takes his caravan over there
regularly. As they say over there, Quelle surprise. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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| bugeye_bob wrote: | So it just brings bikes into line with their car policies with regards to Hi Viz vests. |
Cars generally have copious storage capacity though, and their definition of "easy reach" for cars means without leaving the driver's seat. On bike, what do? No, not every bike has space under the seat.
Once they've got everyone carrying one, it's just a short slippery slope to saying "It wears the hi-vis on its ride or else it gets le fine again."
No panic now, but if the Huns start making similar noises, be concerned. Especially if our main representation in Brussels is MAG.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Just reading up on this, apparently the requirement to wear reflective gear has been abolished in 2013?
No mention of helmet stickers though, so I expect they still have to be worn.
Failure to have a breathalyser with you doesn't come with a compulsory fine anymore. The 11 euro fine has been
'indefinitely postponed'.
https://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/overseas/driving-abroad-whats-new-2012.html
The new bunch of laws are because of an 'unacceptable' amount of deaths of cyclists, moped riders and pedestrians.
(all groups with zero instruction/training on road use then )
God forbid they should
a. Stop 14 year olds riding mopeds.
b. Introduce compulsory cycling proficiency training.
c. Fine jaywalkers.
One again the needs of the few hinder the many, I'm surprised that's the way it works over there tbh. I'd expect
that kind of legislation over here because kittens. ____________________ Currently enjoying products from Ford, Mazda and Yamaha
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 Posted: 10:40 - 14 May 2015 Post subject: Re: The French are at it again |
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| Marmalade wrote: | The french have passed a law making it mandatory for all bikes, trikes and quads to carry a high vis vest from 1st jan 2016.
Vests have to be carried for rider and any passenger and it must be within easy reach and worn in case of breakdown or accident. |
How ridiculous, wait a minute, it's already been declared mandatory in Czech republic and other countries, from top of my head, Slovakia (I ride there every now and then so I know). I have never used it though, well not the way they meant me to use it.
The vest is cheap, does not take much of space and will possibly save your life one day. No one forces you to wear it, my vest covers my tools in the under seat compartment.
What is/was ridiculous, that you had to carry a spare bulb (one from each on your motorcycle) with you here. They repealed the law 4 or 5 years ago, because the bulbs never last long in the underseat compartment. So, the moment you were in need of one, you had an under seat compartment full of spare and mostly broken bulbs. You still have to carry spare bulbs in your car through. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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 Posted: 17:40 - 14 May 2015 Post subject: Re: The French are at it again |
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | The vest is cheap |
But freedom isn't free.
| RhynoCZ wrote: | does not take much of space |
Have you looked under the seat of, for example, an ER6?
| RhynoCZ wrote: | and will possibly save your life one day |
The same could be said of lion repellent.
| RhynoCZ wrote: | No one forces you to wear it |
Yet. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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I think you are being a bit melodramatic here Roger.
It's not that long ago, people were this passionate about the helmet laws and I am still surprised, there's no minimal standard of mandatory motorcycle protective gear, at least for the L plates and lower categories of the licenses.
Anyway, an alternative to the hi-vis vest could be the hi-vis harness, for instance. It does the same thing, yet it takes less space, for those that can't fit a thing under their seats. Or they could force the manufacturers of motorcycle jackets, to put some hi-vis/reflective elements onto them. There's so many options, and some reflective materials are completely transparent at the day light.
For you Roger: https://youtu.be/BVkTmnJkAN8?t=40s  ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | The EU (it's members) has got positive obligation to protect health and lives of its citizens. |
That doesn't sound right to me at all. Many, if not most, freedoms negatively affect health, whether in absolute or probabilistic sense. And life is finite and terminal, with ever escalating costs to add ever reducing slivers of time at the end, when life quality is at its lowest.
The "positive obligation" you put forward is an argument against the freedom to drive, to drink, to have sex, to skydive, to fly, to partake in any activity with any chance of negative health impact or probability of death. It is illiberal and anti-freedom. It's an obligation whose ultimate logic would have you bedridden from birth to grave, interacting with the world through an electronic condom and living on a carefully composed intravenous drip.
Further, I take exception to the idea at the core of it; that there is a benevolent government. There is no benevolent collection of people so large as to be called a government. Governments are machines made out of human cogs for enacting will through force. We rely on them to enforce a social contract, for the rule of law, but they are made to stop the worst amongst us taking too much advantage. In world of enlightened people, governments wouldn't be needed. ____________________ Bikes: S1000R, SH350; Exes: Vity 125, PS125, YBR125, ER6f, VFR800, Brutale 920, CB600F, SH300x4
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| barrkel wrote: | ...freedoms negatively affect health... In world of enlightened people, governments wouldn't be needed. |
That's the thing, the hole nation/s is/are not enlightened. There are stupid people and the vast majority of them is also reckless.
I think it was this forum where I said, that there was no such a thing as freedom in our civilized society. There are just rules of the game we all play every single day on our pitches.
Many freedoms do negatively affect health of people, and every time we analyze each one of them, we have to consider the social dangerousness of such behaviour. Basically, if everyone took drugs, we'd make it illegal to get high. But what's the harm for the society here? Do we really want to put people in jail for being high? - That's what 'murica does the best, by the way.
It is very dangerous for the society to produce, sell and/or distribute drugs, or being high while driving, so the society agreed on making it illegal to do so.
| Rogerborg wrote: | Motorcycles are incompatible with Vision Zero. Be careful what you wish for. |
Do you mean this: https://www.visionzeroinitiative.com/ ?
I don't say let's ban motorcycles, but I do think that there should be a mandatory minimum standard of protective motorcycle gear, that you shall wear when you're on a motorcycle. The helmet is just not enough and most of the low speed accidents have unnecessarily worse aftermath, just because the rider was only wearing a pair of flip flops and shorts. ____________________ '87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
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Seeing as it's pretty hard/nigh impossible to have a high vis vest within easy reach on a bike, I guess this is the only option for us two-wheelers:
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