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landor
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PostPosted: 14:32 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Good touring bike for beginner Reply with quote

Hi everyone, my first message so hello everyone.

I have recently past my direct access and at the grand old age of 50 I'm looking at getting my firdt touring bike. I quite like the look and feel of the Honda NT 700 Deauville but was wondering if people could recommend any decent tourers and why?

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PostPosted: 14:35 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda VFR 750/800

Makes a good noise, fun to ride, not too heavy, comfortable over long distances, inexpensive to buy, great all rounder.

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PostPosted: 15:59 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's your idea of touring? What type of roads? How far? For how long? Pillion? Wild camping, glamping or hotel?
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Deauville is a sensible choice although the older 650 is every bit as good as the newer 700. If you end up going for one try and make sure that it's got the wide panniers, as the stock ones are a bit cramped. A post 2000? bike will have the newer reg/rec (the old ones were more prone to failure) although you could just carry a second hand spare with you. The 650's also have a more reliable final drive - quite a few reports coming through about lack of Moly on the 700's. Stuff like that can be checked though if you take the back wheel off, and most will be fine.

Cheap to buy, easy to sell on, good all rounder for what you'll probably need it for.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, you might want to avoid bikes that have the petrol cap in no traditional locations, if you are planning on loading your bike up with tents and bungees etc

it's a real ball ache taking it all off to fill up
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, congratulations on your test. Now the joyous search for a bike, enjoy Thumbs Up

No useful advise from me regarding bike choice unfortunately I've got heart rule head mentality and somehow have a VFR1200FA as beginner tourer.....

Get a bike that comes with luggage as it's pretty expensive add on.
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The immediate thought that pops into my head when I think of a beginner friendly tourer is the dullsville. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
The immediate thought that pops into my head when I think of a beginner friendly tourer is the dullsville. Thumbs Up


thanks all!!

I'll be looking at roads in the UK initially then progress to the continent when confidence grows. I'm in East Yorks at the mo and often travel to northeast to watch my team so thats probably a regular trip. The wife on the back initially but she's after a CBR650F then it'll be me trying to catch her (I'm a plodder).

I think I'm sold on the Deaville 700 but will look at the 650 although I hsve seen a decent Ducati st2. I looked st the vfr and did like that but think I'm going to opt for the more sit up stance.

thanks all, very much appreciated.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
The immediate thought that pops into my head when I think of a beginner friendly tourer is the dullsville. Thumbs Up


thanks all!!

I'll be looking at roads in the UK initially then progress to the continent when confidence grows. I'm in East Yorks at the mo and often travel to northeast to watch my team so thats probably a regular trip. The wife on the back initially but she's after a CBR650F then it'll be me trying to catch her (I'm a plodder).

I think I'm sold on the Deaville 700 but will look at the 650 although I hsve seen a decent Ducati st2. I looked st the vfr and did like that but think I'm going to opt for the more sit up stance.

thanks all, very much appreciated.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another one to look out for is the Yamaha Diversion 900 (XJ900S). Shaft drive, very reliable, comfy 2 up, nice even power delivery and usually come with full hard luggage - which, unlike the deauville, you can easily remove from the bike either to take into the B&B or just to use the bike without big bags on it.
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PostPosted: 19:04 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah and if shopping second hand, often worth paying a few quid more to get one with luggage, than paying the full asking price to fit luggage onto one without
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PostPosted: 19:39 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deauville or 900 Diversion are both good starter touring bikes.

As said, get a 900 with a full set of decent hard luggage and a Deauville with a top box. The cost to retro fit decent stuff is pretty horrendous.

A VFR has been put forward. Nice enough bike except chain drive which is not my choice for a touring bike.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea but a BMW F800ST might be a good choice
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

whats the budget?

vstrom 650? dead upright, comfortable, good mpg, and not a deauville.
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PostPosted: 22:23 - 16 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnnyarctic wrote:
whats the budget?

vstrom 650? dead upright, comfortable, good mpg, and not a deauville.


about £3000
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 17 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This looks cheap, although I wonder why he hasn't put the milage.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-HONDA-DEAUVILLE-NT-700-VA-NEW-SHAPE-56-PLATE-FULL-LUGGAGE-ABSOLUTE-BARGAIN-/171821127310?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item280156568e
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PostPosted: 06:12 - 17 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:


thanks polarbear, I've asked the question. Might sound a daft question, but do you know what a decent mileage is?

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PostPosted: 09:04 - 17 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

landor wrote:
Polarbear wrote:


thanks polarbear, I've asked the question. Might sound a daft question, but do you know what a decent mileage is?

Cheers


My mates Deauville had over 60000 on the clock when it was destroyed by a white van man. It had never missed a beat.

It really more about how it's been looked after. Long distance touring is better than everyday 5 mile commutes IMO.

If I had to put an upper limit on mileage I would probably say between 30 & 40 thousand but if it has been well looked after it will go on for many more thousand. It's not a stressed engine.
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 17 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
If I had to put an upper limit on mileage I would probably say between 30 & 40 thousand but if it has been well looked after it will go on for many more thousand. It's not a stressed engine.


Agree with that. A well looked after Deauville with FSH or lots of paperwork detailing work/parts will be good for at least 50k. They are not loved by everybody so can be a bargain buy for touring.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 17 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

landor wrote:
johnnyarctic wrote:
whats the budget?

vstrom 650? dead upright, comfortable, good mpg, and not a deauville.


about £3000


As already has been proposed the Honda VFR 800 and BMW F800ST would be your best options.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-VFR800-VTEC-/331577398729?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4d338d95c9

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2007-BMW-F-800-ST-F800ST-/281716401809?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item41979b2691

The BMW has a belt if that matters to you - both are way better bikes than Deuville.

Do not take my word for it go try test ride all 3 and than come back and tell us what do you think?
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 17 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:


As already has been proposed the Honda VFR 800 and BMW F800ST would be your best options.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-VFR800-VTEC-/331577398729?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4d338d95c9

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2007-BMW-F-800-ST-F800ST-/281716401809?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item41979b2691

The BMW has a belt if that matters to you - both are way better bikes than Deuville.

Do not take my word for it go try test ride all 3 and than come back and tell us what do you think?


Sorry, not for serious touring they aren't.

Shaft drive, upright sitting position, luggage built in. The Deauville is the best middleweight tourer by a long road. It's not an exciting bike, no, but as a mile muncher it is a bike you can ride long distances day in day out.

As a personal preference (being someone who ventures off round Europe many times in a year) if I didn't have a full blown tourer I'd go down the adventure bike route for comfortable touring.

It all depends what you actually want to do with your bike. If you want a bike that can do touring and be a really fun bike as well, you can use just about anything. People on here tour on everything from 125's to Super sports so a VFR might well float your boat.

If you want to do serious touring, two up with the kitchen sink, buy a bike that is a tourer.

You will have to add another £500 quid to that VFR for decent hard luggage.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 17 Jun 2015    Post subject: thanks everyone Reply with quote

Thanks everyone. It's good to see the different ideas and suggestions. I'm a bit too long in the tooth for anything too exciting and I'm looking at doing some serious mile crunching.

Val I think you hit the nail on the head, try a few and make a choice.

I think I'm in polar bears camp with the Deauville, boring to some but we're not all the same and 1 mans boring is another mans adventure.

I'll come back on and let you know how I get on.

thanks again Very Happy
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 18 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: thanks everyone Reply with quote

landor wrote:
I think I'm in polar bears camp with the Deauville, boring to some but we're not all the same and 1 mans boring is another mans adventure.


Sensible, well done Thumbs Up

There are a lot of very well priced, fully serviced and cared for Deauvilles out there to choose from. Shouldn't be too hard to find a good one. However, there are also a lot of ratty sheds ragged around and uncared for. Having looked at a few in the past it's pretty easy to tell the difference.

There is always the option of a nice sensible tourer plus a second bike for sunny rideout frolics to the local biker cafe Very Happy
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 19 Jun 2015    Post subject: Deauville 650 Reply with quote

Well I went to collect a Honda NT650 Deauville today.

It's exactly what I want, decent but requires xome work but I was after a bit of a project. The engine sounds sweet although the bodywork requires some attention. I reckon a strip down, major service and some TLC to the fairing etc (think I'll do a respray).

I've had a quick jaunt and it rides well. I'll let you know how I get on.

Thanks again for all the tips and advice Smile
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PostPosted: 22:13 - 19 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There used to be a Dullville with gutted out cans that a guy used to ride with gusto about London and you would be very hard-pressed to keep up with him. They can move along when they want to.
Haven't seen him for awhile, I hope he didn't end up as bus fodder.
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