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PostPosted: 22:49 - 06 Jun 2015    Post subject: Chain too tight when I sit on the bike Reply with quote

When I'm off the bike the chain has good amount of play in & then when I sit on the bike the chain gets extremely tight, as in no play what so ever.

Checked with two friends' bikes, and their chains get no were near as tight when there sat on their bike and their chains have similar tension to mine when off the bike.

C&S have plenty of life. My chains only ever needed adjusting 2 times in the 8 months it's been on, it's fairly well looked after too.

What could cause my chain to go super tighter when weight is on the bike in comparison to when there's no weight on the bike? (I know the chain tightens up when you sit on it, but it shouldn't be getting this tight)

Any ideas? As I don't want to be riding a chain that's stupidly tight for the obvious reasons. Will take a video tomorrow as that'll give you all a much better insight to my problem.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 06 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: Chain too tight when I sit on the bike Reply with quote

Az wrote:
Any ideas?

Adjust the fucker.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 06 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loosen the chain then?
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 06 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:
Loosen the chain then?


First thing I did, makes no real difference.

Will take a video tomorrow, it'll explain it a bit better.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 06 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inb4 tightspots.
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PostPosted: 23:24 - 06 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

My 1200 is a pain for the chain getting a LOT tighter when you do the wheel spindle up properly (ie, you adjust the chain, get the tension right and then tighten the spindle up and most of the free play disappears).

As such check the tension is right . Sitting on the bike will tension the chain a touch, but that is why there needs to be some slack there.

But Cansa could well be right on the tight spots as well

All the best

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PostPosted: 23:27 - 06 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suspension geometry changes the distance between sprockets as it goes down - always best to check it's not too tight by lying over the seat if a second fat person is not available to sit on it while you check.
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 06 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should check the chain when sat on the bike. Most people don't because its obviously easier on the center or paddock stand and to be honest, I haven't found it make a huge difference which ever way you do it so I'd be a bit worried about your method.
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PostPosted: 06:38 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Re: Chain too tight when I sit on the bike Reply with quote

Az wrote:
What could cause my chain to go super tighter when weight is on the bike

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PostPosted: 07:55 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all about the Angle of the Dangle.

Chain adjustment should be done when the centre of the front sprocket and the centre of the rear sprocket, is on the same line as the centre of the swing arm.
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PostPosted: 08:03 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Hi

My 1200 is a pain for the chain getting a LOT tighter when you do the wheel spindle up properly (ie, you adjust the chain, get the tension right and then tighten the spindle up and most of the free play disappears).

As such check the tension is right . Sitting on the bike will tension the chain a touch, but that is why there needs to be some slack there.

But Cansa could well be right on the tight spots as well

All the best

K


Most all of the Suzukis I have owned have suffered this. You always have to check the chain tension after torquing the spindle nut.
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This video should explain it pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_CyM-Ed8PA
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PostPosted: 08:58 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Few if any bikes that I know of specify that the chain should be adjusted under load. The amount of slack specified does vary which should cope with the changes in how much the chain tension changes as the suspension compresses.

All the best

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PostPosted: 09:22 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Kickstart wrote:
Hi

My 1200 is a pain for the chain getting a LOT tighter when you do the wheel spindle up properly (ie, you adjust the chain, get the tension right and then tighten the spindle up and most of the free play disappears).

As such check the tension is right . Sitting on the bike will tension the chain a touch, but that is why there needs to be some slack there.

But Cansa could well be right on the tight spots as well

All the best

K


Most all of the Suzukis I have owned have suffered this. You always have to check the chain tension after torquing the spindle nut.


This could well be the problem then, as I've adjusted the chain first then tightened up the spindle afterwards & then had OH sit on the bike to check the chain tension. Will re adjust and check now. Karma Thumbs Up

Also slightly worrying that I've always done it this way to on the Bandit, so there a high chance I've been riding with a tight chain for the last year and a half Shocked Neutral
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PostPosted: 09:51 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

All done-dided, off to Matlock I go Smile
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thumbs Up for diddley done.

Also +1 on the spindle making a surprising amount of difference. There's essentially no point in my measuring the slack on my GS unless it's done up tight.
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PostPosted: 11:03 - 07 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Az wrote:

Also slightly worrying that I've always done it this way to on the Bandit, so there a high chance I've been riding with a tight chain for the last year and a half Shocked Neutral


So clearly a non issue then... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 08 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Az wrote:
slightly worrying that I've always done it this way to on the Bandit, so there a high chance I've been riding with a tight chain for the last year and a half Shocked Neutral


It may be worth checking your rear wheel bearing and/or drive shaft seal Thumbs Up



I can see it all now...

"Holy Crap, Batman! Shocked the drive shaft is missing!"



It's chain drive... Smile


For the OP. I either load the bike down or use tie downs to pull the rear end into position so the countershaft, swing arm pivot, and axle are in line, the tightest point for the chain run. Then I adjust to get maybe an inch of play. Release the rear wheel to allow full extension again. Measure the play for next chain adjustment to not have to tie it all back down again.

It is better to run a bit loose than too tight. Too tight can damage bearings or break chains. If you look at MX and dual sport bikes they have huge amount of slack, yet they don't throw chains. For a chain to derail it has to be total trash or something causes it. Kind of a lightning strike event.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 08 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
It may be worth checking your rear wheel bearing and/or drive shaft seal Thumbs Up

klx678 wrote:
I can see it all now...
"Holy Crap, Batman! Shocked the drive shaft is missing!"
It's chain drive... Smile


The whole system for transferring power to the rear wheel for a chain driven bike, is a Chain Drive.

The drive output shaft is where power is transferred from the engine to the chain drive.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 09 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Thumbs Up for diddley done.

Also +1 on the spindle making a surprising amount of difference. There's essentially no point in my measuring the slack on my GS unless it's done up tight.


Do you not get an equal change for a specified torque? Not predictable?
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 10 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

if the chain is too tight sat on the bike, stand on the pegs instead Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 10 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lose weight you fat fucking cunt Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 10 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
klx678 wrote:

It's chain drive... Smile


And what do you think drives the front sprocket? Rolling Eyes


The output shaft.
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