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Rogerborg
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Motorcycle licensing according to MAG Reply with quote

https://www.mag-uk.org/network/2015-06-Steps_to_your_motorbike_licence.pdf

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Steps to your motorbike licence (1 June 2015)

Direct access is a scheme which allows you to avoid the two year/25 kW restriction by taking a test on a machine of at least 35kW (46.6 bhp). You must be at least 21 years old to take part in this scheme. [...]

The restricted route to a licence
This is the only course option if you are aged under 21. You would typically learn to ride and take a test on a 125cc machines. Once you pass your test, your licence allows you to ride any size of bike provided it is limited to 33bhp for the first two years after passing.


Ladies and gentlemen, I give you MAG, your on-the-ball lobbying group for motorcycle legislation past present and future. Let's give them a round of applause and all our monies. Clapping
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have Mag been taken over by Ride magazine?
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are riddled with back biting and stabbing with financial Armageddon looming close at hand.. whilst agreeing with what you say its no surprise that they have taken their eye off the ball really...
They have had no monies from me ;indirectly or otherwise; for over 2 years.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had my heart going thinking the money I'd just put down for my A2 had been wasted Shocked

Quote = law/rules pre January 2013?

Pre 2013 licensing sounds a whole lot cheaper and easier, I assume someone saw the potential £ signs and made it a whole lot more complicated for that reason?
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:


Pre 2013 licensing sounds a whole lot cheaper and easier, I assume someone saw the potential £ signs and made it a whole lot more complicated for that reason?


The EU took exception to the UK having a common sense approach and 'fixed' it
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
The EU took exception to the UK having a common sense approach and 'fixed' it


Doh!

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PostPosted: 17:23 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
The EU took exception to the UK having a common sense approach and 'fixed' it

That is pretty much exactly what happened, as I see it.

There was an explanatory Euro-memo kicking around which was practically foaming at the chops at the audacity of riders passing tests on 125s and then moving up to bigger machines without any further testing or paperwork. Ve must haf papervurk!

Apparently, some absolute villains would even fit their 25kW restrictors so badly that they would fall out. Shocked

Upwards of 20 million kittens were murdered by these psychopaths every second, and Something Had To Be Done.

You can view the 3DLD as well intentioned but incompetent, or a deliberate attempt to make biking unattractive. With it being Brussels, it was probably a bit of both, with a good dose of OCD rules-for-the-sake-of-rules added on just for the sperg of it.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: eu Reply with quote

Were these EU rulings just advisory/voluntary so that the southern europeans can just give these rulings the big finger Middle Finger whilst our numbskull politicians assume they are mandatory and therefore a big money spinner Smile
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, they're a mandatory Directive. We went above and beyond what was required, of course. Apocryphally, the hot countries have historically just laughed it off and been handed down fines in the region of 100K Euros, which is a fraction of what we've spent on mod 1 centres.

That said, it looks like Spain and Italy at least have implemented something like the required slow speed manoeuvres. Beyond that, they can still hand out licenses like sweeties.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
No, they're a mandatory Directive. We went above and beyond what was required, of course. Apocryphally, the hot countries have historically just laughed it off and been handed down fines in the region of 100K Euros, which is a fraction of what we've spent on mod 1 centres.

That said, it looks like Spain and Italy at least have implemented something like the required slow speed manoeuvres. Beyond that, they can still hand out licenses like sweeties.


hang on a mo
As we're all europeons now (and by extension filthy foriegners)
Couldn't some UK citizen go on a jolly to Alicante and between bullfights swatting flies and whatever else they do over there,
go off get them selves a dago licence without all the faff they suffer here?
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 01 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

In principle, sure.

In practise, how are you going to book the tests? Other countries don't translate everything into Elbonian (or even English) for the convenience of sponging migrants either. Wink

Anyway, good news, you can now get a full license on a 125 again - just ask MAG for more details. Whistle
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 02 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Anyway, good news, you can now get a full license on a 125 again - just ask MAG for more details. Whistle


Done as this would save a lot of time wasting Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 02 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

thread explains some "correction" / "errata" type e-mail I got from MAG today

still on their e-mailing list despite not being a member anymore
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 03 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
hang on a mo
As we're all europeons now (and by extension filthy foriegners)
Couldn't some UK citizen go on a jolly to Alicante and between bullfights swatting flies and whatever else they do over there,
go off get them selves a dago licence without all the faff they suffer here?


CBA to find the source but I'm sure they clamped down on 'licence tourism' a while back and you now have to live in the country or be a resident for 6 months before taking a test.

This could be completely wrong, I may have hallucinated it...
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 03 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MAG are just a pointless waste of members monies.

But the EU is an atrocious farce of nonsense. They have a lot of meddling going on in a lot of areas, but the general gist is that they're trying to set EU-wide standardisation, to bring the civilised sensible western EU countries in line with the laissez-faire eastern ones whose attitude to things can be somewhat "shit happens".


Unfortunately they had the rather flawed idea that instead of an EU-wide minimum standard, they were going to have EU-wide mandatory regs that were not flexible, which meant countries with stricter safety regulations were going to be forced to significantly relax those regs so everyone was doing the same rules.

Eventually after about 5 years of campaigning someone in Europe saw a bit of sense and this has changed and now it is back to the more-logical minimum standard, with individual countries able to keep their existing, stricter regs.



The EU is good in theory, but in practice they have too much power, not enough intelligence and exceptionally little common sense.
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PostPosted: 06:59 - 04 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yehbut...

Llama-Farmer wrote:
MAG are just a pointless waste of members monies.

Is the main point of this thread.

The EU are the problem but MAG are demonstrably not the solution.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 04 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MAG are more farcical than Dads Army
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 05 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Yehbut...

Llama-Farmer wrote:
MAG are just a pointless waste of members monies.

Is the main point of this thread.

The EU are the problem but MAG are demonstrably not the solution.


Are they still campaigning for the freedom to ride without a helmet?
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 05 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're not campaigning against or for anything at the moment as far as I can tell

But they are keen to inform on their FB page that the Govt is 'removing unnecessary burden on drivers' by scrapping counterparts. Yay go MAG
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PostPosted: 12:23 - 05 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
They're not campaigning against or for anything at the moment as far as I can tell

But they are keen to inform on their FB page that the Govt is 'removing unnecessary burden on drivers' by scrapping counterparts. Yay go MAG


They've added a new burden though be requiring you get a printout from the DVLA website before you need go abroad to hire a vehicle... Probably not needed though in most of the countries I visit!
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 05 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to be armadillos at the moment.

cheeseman wrote:
Are they still campaigning for the freedom to ride without a helmet?

Not officially, but Ian Mutch is still banging on about it at every opportunity.

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PostPosted: 20:14 - 10 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey they are right on the money!.........in 2005
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PostPosted: 23:22 - 19 Jun 2015    Post subject: happy days Reply with quote

Now I understand why they need Nigel Farage - MAG lives in the past.
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