?????KSR MOTO GRS 125??????

[Rogerborg]

[Tinkz]

After speaking to a couple of dealers, they told me that even the newer JAP 125's are all made in china now!

Maybe quality control is different in each production line.

I googled Chinese bikes and all the big name manufacturers are in bed with the Chinese factories, Also BMW's 650 engines are produced in China.
This must count for something

I know of guys who wont buy a Skoda, even though its now built to VW standards.

Are we all BADGE SNOBS I wonder
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[Rogerborg]

China, India, Malaysia, Thailand and Pakistan now. Most of them are sold into the Asian and Oriental markets for bowl-of-rice money.

The new BMW 650 single is indeed made by Loncin. There are plenty of reports of the oil cooler leaking, as well as pissing from the valve covers especially after highly trained BMW Motorrad Monkeys have been at it, so it may not have been the smartest move.

Here's what paying £2500 for an Indian made "Japanese" CBF 125 buys you after 4 years of UK use:

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[Tinkz]

so basically, you pays your money and takes your chances, "JAP", CHINESE, INDIAN ETC.
If it can happen to a Honda (in the pics) it can happen to any bike.
Look after it and hope for the best if your buying a 125.

I still think its better spending £2000 on a new bike with new components and a 2 year warranty, than a 10 year old bike that might give me more problems and a list of parts I need after a days ownership.

I'm not saying that all 2nd hand bikes are a bad buy, but if its a 125 its likely to have been used/abused to train on etc by learners, so think i'll be buying a KSR MOTO GRS 125
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[Polarbear]

Ask someone to post comparable pictures of a 10 year old CG, Varadero, YBR etc. Oh, and a 10 year old anything Chinese.
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[tinkerman]

Lets get things in perspective about this Indian Honda. judging by the pics its in a really bad state. But looking past the rusty parts there evidence of owner abuse and missed opportunities to maintain and repair it. There's evidence of dents, a broken front mudguard and various other maladies which could have been rectified long ago. it doesn't look at if its been cleaned since it left the showroom. If you are going to trade part of your life working to earn the money to buy a bike, why not look after it?
My friend owns a shop and is dealing in the KSR range, he is a little "one man band" shop employing 2 mechanics, his guiding principle is that being a local shop he has a reputation to uphold as the grapevine would shut him down faster than a politician breaks a promise, if he sold duff bikes word would get around quickly. He doesn't want to sell something that will be back in for warranty work tying up his mechanics and his phone sorting it out with the importers. Having originally sold 8 bikes to a local training school he waited to see if it was a quality or crap product, the result: no returns for warranty work but orders for spares related to dropped bikes.
I am not promoting the KSR brand or saying its the best 125 on the market, but just because China has been taking over production of the small bike market doesn't mean they're all likely to be crap.

[mas101]