Mirrors and sat navs.

[Saraya]

Hi all.
I’ll go a-Googling and make some calls – but wanted to check with you guys first.

I’m hoping Santa brings me a sat nav, so want to have bike ready. Very roughly, what will I be expected to pay, for someone to fit… whatever it’s called that you connect a sat nav too? And whatever they fit, is it a universal thing? Will any sat nav/tom tom thing connect to it? Or is it specific to brand? (I don’t mean the cradle it sits in – but the thing that powers it.)

Also, I’m not sure if I have freakishly large arms/shoulders – but I can’t see bugger all in my YBR mirrors, no matter how I position them. I gather that such a thing as extenders exist. Again, are these universal or do I need to get something from Yamaha? And is it a straight forward job that I can tackle myself?

Thank you.

[MCN]

Any decent Satnav will come suppleid with a mounting. RAM make the most robust ones.
You can wire it up to a permanent supply to an 'ignition live' feed. If you can find it on your bike.
I always do that s4it masel so couldn't guess how much a pro job would cost.
Circa £60 for 1-2 hours labour.

Garmin are the best Satnavs and there are very few suitable for a bike due to weather, vibrations hurting the delicate stuff inside and being operable with gloves on.
The better ones are bluetooth to a head set or hard wired to ear bud/phones.

Mirrors on bikes are a baistard coz since bikes are narrow, arses are wide and light cannot be bent (much) a compromise must be met.
Please resist the urge to fit mirror extenders. Very fat folk use them

You can only adjust them to get the best view and then learn how best to use them and know where your vulnerable blind spots are and oggle around there.
Use mirrors often and you won't be surprised.

Edit: Fekin Santa? Santa? Are you not a bit pre-mature pet?
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[Teflon-Mike]

Most satnav's are designed/intended for use in cars & plug into a standard 12v fag lighter socket or some-times a USB adaptor.

Mountings vary; again most supplied intended for cars come with a sucker mount to go on a windscreen; depending on the unit, variouse mountings may be available specifically for it, or as a universal....

Some sold with push-bike use in mind (from that push-bike emporium we all know so well, Halfrauds!) may come with a handle-bar clip, or even a more water-proof enclosure, like the weatherisation kit I believe they do for RAM mounts.

Dedicated Systems for bikes tend to be freakishly expensive, for marginal benefits of better water-proofing... which is possibly worth-while... Snowie managed to eventually drown her 'walkers' Garmin )mounted on deicated mounts for that unit procured off e-bay for 'bike' mounting, probably push-bike, but adequete for a lightweight motorbike) after about a year.. but then I'm not all that convinced GPS on a bike is all that useful to start with!!

They are not always all that user friendly when wearing motorcycle gloves for starters; and if you want voice directions, you probably wont hear them in a crash hat without an ear-piece on a wire or blue-tooth.. and even then, ear-pieces can be uncomfy in a hat, and volume that is comfy when you are on the drive inaudible over wind-roar and engine noise at 50 per... or volume that's audible at 50 per, painful when you are at a set of traffic lights!!!

If you want to get round that, then you are looking at not just a sat-Nav but possibly a full 'auto-com' system, which is a smart box of tricks wired into the bike, that can give you rider to pillion intercom, or with a two way radio plugged in bike to bike coms, or plug in a mobile phone for 'hands free' telephone, or an MP3 plater for tunes, or or... yup a sat-nav for turn-by-turn voice instructions..... BIG money bit of kit though, and not a quick and easy installation.....

To which, suggestion is all things are possible, just comes down to cost and hassle.

On the road.... practical use of Sat-Nav?

Well, I DON'T really need turn by turn instructions to get from my front door to the ring road.... from there, I don't REALLY need turn by turn instructions, if the damn thing gives me any, to ride 150 miles up the A5 or M6...... when, instructions it might offer, can be counter productive, when you are trying to follow lane instructions literally on the ground at roundabouts or major junctions, and it's telling you to stay 'Left' and directs you up a bludy slip road, before telling you loudly "Off Route" and helpfully advising you it is "Calculating New Route" for vital moments as you approach another bludy junction wondering what the fuck to do!

In so MANY instances, I have wanted to chuck the bludy thing out of the car window...... and would have been better off following my nose and the bludy road signs! They ARE pretty good for the most part in this country... apart from round Redditch..... all the ones there say "Town center Right, all other routes straight on" and have you driving round and round in circles for days until you give in and visit Redditch town center... which is obviously what they want you to do.... Or maybe Swindon.... though that towns road signage might not be so bad... but last time I was there, I didn't have much chance to look at it... looking at the road markings and exclaiming loudly "WHAT THE FUCK!!!!" and trying not to get t-boned by a dozen other vehicles in the same predicament!!! But I detract......

Only time Satnav starts to become more useful, I have found, and I use more in a very reletive sense, is in the last couple of miles of a journey, when you are going round the houses looking for a specific address... & even then its not always that reliable, and I have, recently been sat at the bottom of a hill, telephoning a hotel, saying "OK... my Sat-Nav tells me I'm outside your door... but all I see is a field... where are you?" to be told "Yeah we get that a lot.... and the receptionist give precise directions FROM this unidentified field the Satnav apparently sends every-one to, to her Hotel!!!!!"

Like I said, car window.... chuck... we fitted the Garmin to Snowie's pup when I was cruelly sending her out and about to practice for her Mods, and she was scared of not finding her way home.... But I refuse to use the damn thing on the bike.... I ride for fun; if I wanted a nagging woman telling me where to go I wouldn't have spent so much money on a divorce!!!!!! My own local knowledge is far better than any sat-nav's for most of the county I live in, and a fair bit beyond..... and I got that by NOT having a sat-nav... and 'getting lost'.... and calling it 'exploration', having an adventure!

For longer jaunts, anything much beyond the local shop? well, I don't need turn by turn directions really, basic idea of the general direction and towns along the way, maybe a road number to follow, will get me close to most destinations, and then it's just those last few round the houses miles to a specific address that can be tricky.... and a crib-sheet taped to the tank constructed from looking at a map, or even google maps! is usually more than good enough for that bit where, provided it doesn't spend more time telling you its calculating a new route than actually telling you where to go, a Sat-Nav MIGHT actually be of some small help.

Given where you are at at the moment vis confidence, where you look is where you go, and such basics as road positioning...

DO you really want an added distraction to your riding, and IS a sat nav telling you where to go, really going to do very much to bolster your confidence?

If it would be a 'comfort' just to have one, so you can check where you are or get directions back home... Oh-Kay.... yeah... but do you REALLY need it sat on the handlebars glowing at you? Permanently powered off the bike electrics? For the contingency, would you NOT get that re-assurance simply having one slipped into your jacket pocket, charged up but turned 'off', you could consult,. STOPPED at the road-side IF needs be?

Even more 'flakey' in my experience are smart-phone sat-nav aps, but if you already have a smart-phone, in your pocket, would that not offer the same re-assurance? Maybe flakey but would still point you in the right direction & get you close enough to home to know where to go.

Power for a phone charger, as precaution against a flattery, would make more sense. Again, usual adaptors are designed to run of standard 12v car cigarette lighter socket or USB adaptor.

Easy enough to wire a cigarette socket adaptor off a 12v bike battery; I actually have one in the saddle bag of my bike, to charge my rather un-smart 'phone and camera batteries, when 'on-tour'.

Two 6mm ring connectors and an inline fuse is pretty much all you need, unless you want to get fancy wiring it in to turn off with the ignition... which on your bike as its fuel injected may be wise precaution... can bump start my bike if the battery go flattery... not so easy I suspect yours.... but it's a small bike, with a not so generous generator; it has I believe a hard wired always on dipped beam head-lamp, always using electric, and come winter, cold starting and short daylight hours with more electric equipment being used, and fewer more enthusiastic rides with motor turning high revs keeping the battery topped up, I'd not be so keen to start adding more load to the electrical system.

While I would be loathed to pay some-one to start cobbling my brand new bikes electrickery with crimpy-connectors, and potentially making problems for me, or letting Snowie loose with the soldering iron to definitely make problems, doing it DIY!

If you are contemplating riding through the darker months.... good on you!!! But... fair few things I would hope Santa brought me before a Sat-Nav gadget... well, actually.... I probably wouldn't... I'm a bit strange... Christmas shopping in December, ice on the ground, and I'm still umming and ahring whether to put some gloves on.... no.. not winter gloves ANY gloves!!!! But still.... long-johns and thermal socks would be quite an appreciated Christmas gift!!!

Whilst for 'Gadgets'? High on my wish-list would be a couple of brand new 'spare' clear visors for my crash-hat, and I used to prefer the permanent fit 'fog city sheild' for winter commuting... its like double glazing for your visor, helps stop it steaming up; but awkward to fit, and has to be fitted well; pin-lock inserts are the more popular these days.... but JUST a couple of clear spares would be a big boon.... road spray and slime makes them muck up double quick and collect the soot from deseasil engines very rapidly, and it tends to smear when you try wipe it, and visor will get scratched & etched quickly with double daily cleaning.

Dark-roads? Little bike headlamps tend not to be all that fantastic; not that bigger bikes lamps are often all that much better; BUT for conspicuity and visability IF you have to bolt anything that saps amps from the bike to it, then some LED aux lamps on teh forks and maybe some LED position lamps on the grab-rails might be a more worthy notion.

But luggage solutions? Always useful on a commuter; a rack or rack & top-box. Somewhere to stow the spare water-proofs & other necessities!

Tank-Bag's a useful thing to have too; some-where for your sarnies, and they usually have a map pocket on the top you can see from the saddle, to funnily enough slip a map, or sheet of directions... or if you absolutely MUST an electric widget like sat-nav or 'phone.... though may need a bit of 'wedging' to hold it straight..... Snowie's first sat-nav guided ride saw her 'phoning me from some-where near Northampton (30 mile the wrong way away!), complaining the Sat Nav was sending her the wrong way..... yes... not wired for voice she was following the arrows on the screen....... which had slowly rotated 180 degrees about in the map-pocket in the tank-bag! Lol!

Which raises riding apparel again; and two if not three pairs of decent gloves are a fantastic aid to winter riding... not that I like gloves much to start with, BUT even more loath to try wriggling into a pair that are still soppy wet from my last ride!

All not so exiting or flashy as an electrickery toy, but far more useful IMO to winter riding than a sat-nav, which I am not much of a fan of in any season......

MIRRORS! an old perenial. Extenders are usually 'iniversal' and come in a few shapes sizes and styles, from sort of mechano 'plates' with a pair of holes drilled in them, that you bolt to the original mount with a supplied bolt, and then attach original mirror to the other end with a supplied nut. some have pillars to space them 'up# from the original mounts that are usually on the levers.... which can be useful... last set I had came on the 'Seven-Fifty' and didn't have riasers or a cranked spacer plate and made getting my hands under them and at the clutch and brake awkward... so they got skipped toot-sweet. Other's are more like an abreviated mirror stalk with a fitting to go into the mount one end and a fitting to take the mirror the other.... often wobbly; I have never tried them, & experience of other folks has never been too impressive.

48" chest jacket size, to get my broad manly shoulders into (even if actual chest measurement would make a Mr Puniverse chuckle!!! Yers you can call me Mr T if you really have to!!! I have the physique of a coptic ankah!!!) it's a niggle I have oft suffered, and the 'best' solution, I have always found has not been muggering about with adaptor kits, but simply fitting different mirrors...

And longer & wider isn't always 'better'.... mirrors will tend to go blurry with vibration, and cheaper, lighter mirrors, and ones on longer stalks or perched on extenders with less rigid mountings and curiouse 'lumps' in odd places, tend to suffer more and at more used engine rpm's....

I have spent many many hours muggering about with araldite, RTV silicon, air-gun pelets, lead wheel balence weights and winding raw solder wire around things to try and damp mirror vibration to little avail over the years... and GOOD mirrors when I have found them have migrated from bike to bike to bike with me!!!! Until the silvering has become so shot I cant see anything in'em anyway!

Snowie bought me a new pair of "OE quality" mirrors for the Seven-Fifty a year or two back, when she saw how bad my favoured old pair had got! I cant tell you what brand they were unfortunately as I didn't buy'em or keep the box; but she admitted they were about £30; all metal, with double adjustment joint at the mirror end, they, have proved usefully wide to get past 'most' of my shoulders, and resiliant to vibration blur when properly clamped. but no garantee they would work for you, and in fitting for Honda, unlikely to mount to a Yam, which ISTR often use smaller 8mm thread and not have conter-clockwise thread on the.... err... clutch side, I think.....

So, yeah.. there are various different fittings for different bikes....

Olden days, used to try before I'd buy; & local bike shop would usually let you take mirrors outside to offer up on the bike and see what you might see in them.... e-bay is not so convenient in that regard... so you'd have to be a bit more selective in what you bought to try.... making sure to get the right fitting, and to increase your odds of it doing the job better, avoiding anything that says 'custom' or 'LED' in the description!!!

While dimensions are for general guidance only & offer little real insight to usefulness... taller mirrors may not be any better than shorter ones, wider any better than narrower; depending where they give their FoV, and where you sit between them!

You MAY find you can get what you have to work better with some judiciouse 'messing' with the adjustment clamps, and not just the mirrors on the lever brackets, but lever brackets on the bars, and handle-bars on the fork yokes.......

Certainly worth spending a little time to find the most comfy 'seat' with the controls most readily falling to hand, even if you don't get a better view in the mirrors.... little time with the took kit you found in the user manual and no cost, its certainly a cheap place to start.

BUT, as a learner, and remembering your self critasism, a while back, of getting used to hubby rolling-road-block behind you, and not doing so many observations....

Crap Mirrors CAN be a bit of an aid memior to look over your bludy shoulder for a propper view from time to time, and that's no bad habbit to get into.
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[Pigeon]

You can install your own adapter.

socket £3.90

Twin USB socket £2.60

inline fuse holder£1.50 + 3amp mini blade fuse.

You might need a few quid on a 2m of black wire, 2m of red wire and some crimp connectors (which should be soldered ideally).

Link it straight to the battery (via the inline blade). No need to splice into any existing circuits.

[jaffa90]

I hope you use the sat-nav when stopped?
Yam mirrors mostly have a left and right hand thread screw in.

[grr666]

Garmin Zumo 660. Bike specific nav unit.
Comes with fixed hard wired bike mount and a separate car mount, the machine knows which it is attached to and applies the
settings for that vehicle automatically. Also has bluetooth streaming MP3 player and stuff. Water and vibration resistant,
lifetime map updates. I'm very happy with mine and use it often although the mount is no longer on my bike
as I hope to change bikes later this year so it's been removed in preparation for that. They aren't cheap though.
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[BrownTrousers]

I also have a Garmin Zumo (bike specific one - 340LM I think its called).

I only use it for long trips / tours but love it. I use Basecamp software to pre-program in a very specific route I want to follow.

Anyway, it came with a bespoke mounting bracket thing which attaches to your handlebars. Very very easy to fit.
The wiring that came with it runs from the mounting bracket and just had a red and black wire (and an in line fuse). I crimped on some ring-terminals and attached it direct to the battery then spent 5 minutes routing the wires nicely.
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[andyscooter]

new tom tom idea looks good

https://youtu.be/RDIFnGcnaWc
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[Rogerborg]

When you say you've adjusted the mirrors, do you mean that you've also rotated the stalks so that they point directly right and left, i.e. are sticking out as far as possible from the bike?

If so, then sure, replace them. No sense in kidding yourself that Yamaha-san knows best. Kawaski-san certainly doesn't, the stock mirrors on the GPZ500 and Ninja 250 are great for viewing your elbows and little else.

You can use aftermarket mirrors, but they do need to be Yamaha compatible - your right mirror has a reverse thread. Some universal mirrors come with 8mm and 10mm adaptors and a reverse thread for Yamahas.

Depending on what the vision problems are, you can go either wider or higher. High rise mirrors tend to come in round styles - these are perfectly fine, I've got a set on my Enfield that offer excellent vision. Since the stalk mounts to the centre of the mirror rather than one edge or corner, I suspect they're slightly less susceptible to vibration as well.

Actually, I see that there are mirror extenders available in Yamaha threads, either to raise the mounting point, or if you have the type where the stalk is separate, you can extend the stalk out:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/131918546829
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[linuxyeti]

Hi

Just get one of the chinese satnav's of ebay, Amazon etc. I have one, and got extra mounts & cables from Aliexpress, so I can have a satnav on whichever bike I ride.

Works perfectly fine, can at time be a bit of a struggle in direct bright sunlight, just chamge the angle it's mounted at, but generally speaking it works really well. I've used mine loads since I got it earlier this year.

Using your phone as a satnav is great, however, it hammers the battery, and on my phone, it gets so how that the display has a, what can best be described, as a burn mark on it. Not a physical burn mark on the screen, but obviously on the display.

Also, the sat navs are cheap enough to not worry too much if you damage it.
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[Derivative]

I've found I feel the need for mirrors less and less with experience. I think it's just trusting other road users not to intentionally rear end me.

I live in an area with green at the moment and 9/10 mornings there's bird shit on my mirrors. I used to clean it off diligently but I can't be bothered any more. I just look around it.

Generally the most dangerous areas are blind spots (e.g. London cyclists passing on both sides because momentum innit).

So, yeah, bike mirrors are worse than car mirrors, but if you're doing it right the dots in the mirror get smaller.

WRT sat nav - I used to have a bit of velcro to stick my phone to the tachometer and used Google Maps. Lately I've just been printing out instructions, I like to know what's going to happen more than 1 step into the future.

Can be useful in big cities though. I get lost in South London basically every time I go.

[Copycat73]

[chris-red]

Where are you based It's a simple job to fit I imagine a fair number of BCFers would help.

I have a Zumo 660, I prefered it to the TomTom for a few reasons. The TomTom was an odd Shape also didn't include all the accessories.

The Zumo came with...

Lifetime Maps,
Bike Mount + Charger,
Car Mount + Charger,
Carry case,

Everything you need basically, with the TomTom it all came separately.
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[stinkwheel]

Try mounting the mirrors under the handlebars if you can. Check they don't catch on anything (like your knees) before riding off with them like that. Works amazingly well.
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[Baffler186]

I've never tried it, but what about smartphone navigation app with headphones? No wiring required, no Satnav to buy, just listen to the instructions which I would find better than looking down at a map. If I'm completely lost I stop and check maps on my phone, but apart from that I find road signs usually do the job. Unless you're going to be a courier or something?
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[Shinigami]

I just use a chinese smartphone in a chinese waterproof case with either copilot or google maps running. Battery lasts about 3 hrs or so. Haven't bothered wiring a charger in as I rarely need sat nav on for 3 hrs on the bike
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[Saraya]

Sorry for late reply. Fired up PC after night shift and Windows held it hostage for ages – and I fell asleep. Then I think hell beast kitten turned PC off and I had to go through process again when I woke.

[Pigeon]

[Teflon-Mike]

We did wire Snowie's Pup for phone & Sat-Nav. She had a little more need of GPS, though. She did community-care for the elderly & disabled; 30 calls a day, 15 minutes a call, five minutes to get between calls; given to her on the day via mobile-phone! and seldom NEVER conveniently 'planned' by themz in the office so she would be darting hither and dither from one side of town to the other, looking for granny flats down obscure side-streets or confuddling cul-de-sacs!

You? I hope know your way to and from work... so you shouldn't need sat-Nav for that; & if you are out expanding your horizons on your own time... its just that... your own time.

Seem to recall you smoke.. good excuse to stop, have a fag, check the map! A-Z's & OS maps don't need batteries.. or 'signal'. Low tech, but it works!

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/11392879_1006696176021966_614723448836750601_n.jpg?oh=e81d53738e3f5ef7813bae2b7a542f88&oe=583A0772

Note the clear map pocket in the top of the tank-bag.

(Flip Helmet or an open, also saves having to take your hat off to spark up, BTW)

When Snowie was doing her 'exploring'; I bought a cheap, £10, I think, PAYG mobile in ASDA & a car charger & wired it off an ignition switched 'live' wire feeding the tail-lamp, and left it in a zip-top freezer bag in the cubby compartment under the seat, so it was being charged whenever the bike was turned on, and available for such emergencies as the battery in her i-Phone going dead due to over-load of face-book activity! OR leaving it behind, cos it was on the wire in the bed-room, not her jacket pocket as she though.... etc etc etc.

Maybe an idea if dead-phone is a concern to you.

Other one, and saving any adaptation or accessorisation of the bike, would be one of those little emergency USB battery boxes that take regular AA or smoke alarm batteries.

On the notion of the Sat-Nav 'saving' an ear-piece; that, I think is a little erroneous; more likely to beg one than save one.

I'm actually typing this on 'my' GPS system.... a lap-top! With a nice large 15", I think screen. And I actually bought it specifically so I could use it in the Range-Rover, with a Marine/aviation GPS receiver, for live 'positioning' on Ordinance Survey e-maps, when 'Orienteering' with an engine; trying to go down 'roads' that aren't usually shown on road-maps! However; same set-up runs Sat-Nav too, and a package or three I have on it gives route-planning and turn by turn directions, usually used in the Range-rover to find petrol stations that once-upon-a-time sold the LPG 'Auto-Gas' the thing runs on.. Or fields that are not hotels!!!!

Screen this size shows a lot of map, but in usual 'landscape' orientation, shows more of whats either side of you, you aren't so interested in, as what's in-front, which you are. Dash-Mount sat-navs can suffer same niggle, though some I believe now can be turned through 90 degrees to a 'portrait' orientation to show a bit more ahead. BUT they are a small screen device, and they often pack a lot of information on the screen at once, and its not the easiest to read 'at a glance'; which is when voice instructions, you don't have to look at, do make more sense of it, but do beg an ear-piece.

When you say how uncomfy the ear-piece the school gave you to wear on CBT was... err... yeah...... probably a 'covert' jaw-mic. horrible things.

They aren't designed to be worn under a crash-hat; they are designed to hook over the ear for use by security guards and the like, and in a hat, they do often 'dig in'.

Reason schools use them.. I dont know really!! they are 'cheap' and you don't have to rig a hat to take them, and they are more secure and stay in place 'better' and dont dig-ion as much as 'bud' type ear-pieces, like you often get with a mobile 'phone for 'hands-free' or an MP3 player.

Instructors don't often use them though! they will normally have a set like mine that you might just spot in picture with boom-mic poking out the side of my hat, permanently installed, and as long as properly fitted, as comfy as the hat without'em.

But then, depending, slimmer 'bud' type head-phones can be reasonably comfy in a hat.

I seem to recall you too, saying you wear a Shark helmet, as I do. Shark conveniently offer a comms pack as an accessory for (some?) of their hats. May only be models with a removeable lining as mine has; I'm not sure. But, supposed to be a very easy 'fit' clipping into press-studs already fitted to the helmet for the purpose. Seem to recall they offer two versions; one is a blue-tooth one that needs batteries/charging but connects wirelesly to blue-tooth widgets; other is 'wired' and has a jack-plug to connect to a 'phone or anything else.

I cant comment on how well they work, though; for compatability (& cost, sharks accessory headsets were rather expensive ISTR) with existing radio's mine is a 'universal' set. But might be something to look into, if you still want to use GPS or hands-free phone, or listen to tunes, or, bike to bike natter if you can ever get out with Hubby on his cougar(?)

If you haven't risked messing too much with the adjustability of the mirrors.. as suggested, GET that hand-book out, find the tool kit, and DO SO.

I am astounded at how many people never try adjusting the control placement on motorbikes.... get in a car its the first bludy thing you do! Admitedly they tend to have levers or buttons to let you more readily move the seat forwards & back or tilt it more or less, but still. bikes are just the same! and probably have even MORE adjustability with the handlebars in the clamps and the brackets for the ;levers and the position of the brake and clutch levers... you JUST need a spanner to re-align them! go 'fiddle'.. it's 'fun'!
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