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Silver_Fox
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Possible cheesy helmet Reply with quote

Hiring a bike for a 3 day tour. Helmet hire included and I don't have my own just yet. OK for three days or should I try and get one beforehand?
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you sneeze in a helmet no hands are present...

I would get my own.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the UK yes
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PostPosted: 14:44 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am never happy riding a bike that isn't mine. never feel comfortable and am always worried about dropping it.

That said, depends on the bike and the terms I suppose.

Ducati Pinigale, £3000 excess, NOOOOO!!!!

Something else £500 excess, maybe.
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ze helmet Herr Polar Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phone up the company your getting the bike from and ask if you can try the helmet on, if you haven't done so already there's no guarantee that they have your size etc, plus you'll know from that.

As for buying your own, could get a budget end one from J&S for know and then use it as a backup or pillion helmet, wouldn't advise going all in on a decent helmet before having a bike, you see one you like then why not, £150-170 got me a decent AGV K3 SV (more expensive because design / looks tart), if you can afford it why not ahead of time, you'll need one eventually anyway.

I'd advise a helmet with a pinlock that covers the entire shield, my AGV only has half the visor covered, pain in the rear and I don't get along with it, although beats not having one at all.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy a cheap lid, if you like it great, if not at least you know it ain't been abused/has EbolAIDS in the lining.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't want to go in all guns blazing until I'd done a bit more research tbh. I'm quite happy to spend for a good one, but not to rush into it etc just to have one beforehand
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PostPosted: 15:23 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
I didn't want to go in all guns blazing until I'd done a bit more research tbh. I'm quite happy to spend for a good one, but not to rush into it etc just to have one beforehand


Makes sense, hire and use spray sanitizer in the helmet liners before trying any of them on, once happy, nuke the liners again.

Another Thumbs Up for pinlock.
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PostPosted: 15:26 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy a 30 or 50 quid helmet, if you dont want to keep it after your bike hirings then donate it to a local training school.

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PostPosted: 16:34 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Imagine the pain of being set on fire while giving birth to a Frankenstein headed baby. In a bed made of wasps. That's about 1/10th of what you'll feel after 2 hours wearing a lid that pinches even very slightly.

I'd buy a cheap lid now, and wear it around the house.
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to a shop and try a few on, find one that fits and then check out sportsbikeshop.co.uk their customer service is the dogs doodahs.
They also have a clearance page with loads of stock.

When I was training for my my DAS I just couldn't do with wearing a public helmet, was gross so bit the bullet and bought myself a Shoei. Well worth the £300 odd quid and I still use it now.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd not be wanting to wear some manky hire lid myself.

Buy a cheap lid that fits properly, for around the £50 mark and keep it as a back up lid for the future, should you need it.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hells no would I borrow a lid, I bought one for my CBT because urgh other people are disgusting.

People with gel in their hair.
People who sneeze in their lids.
People who don't wash their faces.
People who don't wash their hair.
People who have headlice.
People who belch in their lids.

Any of those prizes could be yours thanks to borrowing a helmet of dubious cleanliness!
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Face Herpes.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 29 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/testhelmetlist?order=field_price_value&sort=asc&sharp-make=All&sharp-model=&sharp-type=2&sharp-rating=4&sharp-price-from=0&sharp-price-to=100

There is a nice list of independently tested helmets with the best price to safety ratios on the market.

Increasing price can give you improvements to wind noise, comfort, visor technology and convenience but you don't have to compromise on safety when spending less.

I have found my MT thunder (£50) to be quite comfortable enough for riding 6000 miles in, and a double lens will prevent fogging issues like magic.
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PostPosted: 02:09 - 30 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're really stuck with a rented helmet, maybe try wearing a buff/balaclava/skullcap thingy over your head as a layer between it and the manky lining?
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 30 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You make very good points. You only have to visit a public toilet to see just how disgusting most people are. The most comfortable lid I found in the local bike shop was also the cheapest, an MT Revenge GP. Field of vision was good too. The only thing it lacked really was the internal visor, but I'm not sure how important they really are?

Online I'm finding MT Revenge GP/Evo and Ultimate, but I can't see anything suggesting what's different between each except the colour scheme
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 30 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like MT lids. They are cheap and features are basic but the lids seem good quality they clearly spent the small budget on the lid not on adding features.

Of my 7 or so lids I wear my MT Coyote the most. If I compare it side by side to a similar flip front "Flint" lid that cost about the same and has things like a flip down sun visor you can see to add those features and keep it cheap they basically said "meh" to quality of the liner, fastener, vents, materials used.
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PostPosted: 08:41 - 30 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
The only thing it lacked really was the internal visor, but I'm not sure how important they really are?

Internal visors are rubbish, just wear sunglasses or buy a tinted visor.
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 30 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
The only thing it lacked really was the internal visor, but I'm not sure how important they really are?


Another gimmick, although as I've found out better to have the option of one than ride at the sun directly and not be able to see in front of you, mine could do with being a darker tint but as far as I'm aware they're replaceable (probably not sure friendly though, more like send it to manufacture to figure out the science behind it) with darker versions.

Best thing to do if you want a helmet with one in is to try it on, feel the weight of the helmet and then secure the correct size helmet on in the shop and get a feel for the location of the switch to operate the sun visor, on the K3 SV it's easier to flip it down that it is upwards, it's like an exercise in control on the bike attempting to f*** around trying to get it to go back into the helmet.

Also if you're looking at budget end helmets, do try them on strapped up and then test how good the visor opening and close mechanism is, the one on my £30-40 FT helmet needed two hands, soon got rid.
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 30 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
The only thing it lacked really was the internal visor, but I'm not sure how important they really are?

They make it bulkier but the one on my Nitro isn't dark enough to be useful. Doesn't really work for keeping wind and debris out of your eyes either. It's barely better than nothing and I'd rather have one without.

If you've found an affordable lid that fits well, I'd go ahead and buy it. Bonus, it looks to be 5* Sharp rated.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 30 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry if I'm covering old ground here, but aren't tinted visors illegal? All the online shops state "sold with clear visor only/tinted visor not legal for road use)
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 30 Jun 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Legal is 70%+ light transmission[1]. In practice, Dibble appears to have adopted a common sense approach and if it's daytime then you'll get Words Of Advice at the very most. If it bothers you, carry a clear visor as well.

I almost always wear glasses instead because I prefer to ride visor up. At that, any eye protection worn should be BSI or equivalent Eurotest[2], and marked as such, but being done for that is, uh, inconceivable.



[1] Different rules if first used before 1989.

[2] Grade X in British Standard BS 4110:1979 OR Grades XA, YA or ZA in British Standard BS 4110:1979 as amended by Amendment No. 1 (AMD 3368), Amendment No. 2 (AMD 4060) and Amendment No. 3 (AMD 4630) OR the requirements of Council Directive 89/686/EEC(3) of the 21st December 1989 on the approximation of the laws of the Member States relating to personal protective equipment as amended by Council Directives 93/68/EEC(4) of 22nd July 1993, 93/95/EEC(5) of 29th October 1993 and 96/58/EEC(6) of 3rd September 1996
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