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PostPosted: 09:52 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Get paid for having free stuff off eBay Reply with quote

So a month or so ago, I sold an item on eBay (a brand new e-cig atomiser) and a week after receiving it, the buyer opened a return request for a refund, stating "I try, it blow up".

Even though I didn't believe the buyer, I agreed to accept the return and issue a refund, and supplied a return address.

Despite 3 further requests from me, the buyer never returned the item, and 3 weeks later, left positive feedback.

All this time, the paypal funds for the item were frozen in my account, so I asked eBay to step in and resolve the issue.

The buyer never replied to any of my messages, and didn't reply to eBay either, but they decided that because I had done nothing wrong, they released the frozen funds in my paypal account.

The astonishing thing, is that they also decided to issue the seller with a full refund - which included postage - together with 'estimated postage costs' on top!!!

So now I have my money 5 weeks after the sale, but the buyer has a free item, and 74p more than he started with!

I'm not dishonest enough to pull such a stunt, or lucky enough to get away with it - but there is a very nice Rolex Submariner on there at the moment...

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PostPosted: 10:39 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was talking to my brother about this the other day. Every since starting selling things on eBay / Amazon doing drop shipping a couple years ago and now selling our own products on there, it's actually amazing how many people DON'T do this more often.

It's such an open playing field for scammers and people to try it on, knowing that PayPal will more than likely side with the buyer over the seller.

However, recently had a case where some woman was saying, "these don't work, I want my money back, these are dangerous". I said to my bro, bet you we end up getting the money refunded to her and us being out of pocket.

We just typed a long, well worded email, with evidence that we believed she was taking the piss and they sided with us.

My sister though, a couple of years back, sold a mobile phone for £150 and the guy opened a case stating the box was empty and that she had ripped him off. eBay sided with him, she had to pay the money back + postage and was left with no phone and minus £160.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

PayPal are spamming my inbox at the moment trying to get me to sign up. After my last issue with them over 6 years ago they can kindly fuck off.
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PostPosted: 12:25 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

R1J wrote:
Was talking to my brother about this the other day. Every since sta

My sister though, a couple of years back, sold a mobile phone for £150 and the guy opened a case stating the box was empty and that she had ripped him off. eBay sided with him, she had to pay the money back + postage and was left with no phone and minus £160.


Same thing happened with me, sold a phone awhile ago, buyer claimed it was faulty and wouldnt switch on, i provided lots of pictures saying that they were trying it on and they did return me a phone however it wasnt the one i sent them, it looked like someone had stamped on it.

I had to pay the money back and i was minus a phone, even sent it insured with royal mail and when i tried to claim they said mobiles werent covered! stopped selling on ebay ever since.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look on leak forums for Amazon refunding.

I really wouldn't go with anyone on that site but it gives you an idea of quite how easy it appears to be.

People offering a:

Refund.
Refund & replacement.
Refund & replacement & a replacement replacement.

We're not talking a £50 vape pen, it can be a few thousand pounds of electronics.

I understand PayPal & eBay to be not as straight forward as Amazon when the numbers are anything significant but they're all meant to be pretty easy.

None of it is fool proof and it's all quite illegal so don't go getting yourself arrested for fraud.
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

R1J wrote:
We just typed a long, well worded email, with evidence that we believed she was taking the piss and they sided with us.

In my experience that's necessary to win an eBay dispute when the buyer is trying it on.

Anyone who tries taking the piss should be reported to eBay. Very Happy

https://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/sell/handle-problems.html
https://spd.ebay.co.uk/RBASellerHub
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

selling anything on line is up for scammers to exploit

I had one guy make 3 orders over a month totaling almost $4000
a month later he did a charge back to the CC company
he knew that even if we disputed it the CC company would refund as they are not allowed to send cash to a company selling cannabis seeds

another was a mother who contacted me threatening to have me arrest for selling little Jonny Cannabis 3 packs of seeds
as he had used her card without her knowing
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PostPosted: 14:55 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a seller, eBay and PayPal stink. Money grabbing, greedy arseholes.
If I sell anything more on there it'll be very much a cash on collection sale.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

1198 wrote:
As a seller, eBay and PayPal stink. Money grabbing, greedy arseholes.
If I sell anything more on there it'll be very much a cash on collection sale.


At least I'm not out of pocket - I just hate thieving scum benefiting from fraud.

I only setup the business so I would have some real working data to keep my BI Analyst skills fresh, and PayPal is at least useful for that.

For all it's evils, I still haven't found a better selling platform than eBay though - any suggestions?
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Selling on local BookFace groups is always an option, it's free and everything is cash on collection.

But you'll get more stupid offers and stupid questions then you do on eBay. I put stuff on there for a short time before eBaying, I find that stuff on FaceBook either sells really quickly or not at all.

Where to advertise largely depends on how quickly you want to sell and if you can put a price on it or if you just want it to sell for as little or as much as someone on eBay is prepared to pay.

If you know what it's worth then buy it now listings on eBay can be more productive than auctions. Whether you'd get more listing on a 10 day auction is a gamble.
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PostPosted: 15:49 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Selling on local BookFace groups is always an option, it's free and everything is cash on collection.

But you'll get more stupid offers and stupid questions then you do on eBay. I put stuff on there for a short time before eBaying, I find that stuff on FaceBook either sells really quickly or not at all.



good point, I buy a lot of musical gear via facebook local musical group
if anyone is spamming its very quickly pointed out
and I have had some really great deals via said site and had a 100% completion rate on purchases over the last 2 years
some deals were over £2k but still a better deal than any Ebay offers Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had people making stupid offers followed by further stupid questions, I told them no thanks and I listed it on eBay at a higher price.

The very same person bought it on eBay a couple of hours later, paying more than they would on facebook if they hadn't annoyed me by asking stupid questions and making stupid offers.

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PostPosted: 18:36 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

So far I've been pretty lucky with buyers.
Whenever I sell I just do a 30 day buy it now at a sensible price that makes me a bit of profit.
I don't bother with the whole auction thing unless I'm buying. I set my limits and if I don't win then
meh, usually there will soon be another one for sale, whatever it is. Laughing
But I never sell via auction unless the item is worth less than a tenner.
That reminds me, I have a good grand or so worth of stuff to get listed... I'll do it at the weekend Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

generally, anything I can afford to lose should the worst happen [cheap spare clothes, small bike parts etc] goes on fleabay. Anything significant goes on Gumtree with cash on collection only.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheap clothes seem to sell on the facebook groups easily. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ebay is shit when things go wrong for buyer and seller, but as things are so cheap it's worth the risk.

I'm currently in a bit of a pickle as I ordered an adapter to charge my phone on my bike. Item said UK, but address was China. It never arrived, so contacted the seller, and have to wait weeks for a response. As it's cheap I just ordered another off a different seller.. con-coincidently it's the same dam address is China! Should have arrived today. I need it by net weekend when I go on a Jolly around Wales!
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two things sold and collected this evening from advertising on Facebook. Smile
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with any selling platform is not the platform itself but the user base and more the fact that people are generally twatty.

I have recently sold a load of art on eBay, cash on collection only and one winning bidder wanted to arrange a courier after bidding and winning without contacting me first. Just paid by PayPal then expected me to bend over backwards for him.

Needless to say I just said I was happy to cancel the transaction and it was collection only. He picked it up but wasn't happy about it... I told him to his face had he contacted me before bidding things may have been different.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 09 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone on eBay asks a stupid question they win a place on my blocked bidders list. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 10 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

FaceBook might be the way forward for the type of things I sell, but would it be better to sell on an existing page, or make my own? Any charges involved?
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PostPosted: 08:08 - 10 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Facebook derp wrote:
FaceBook might be the way forward for the type of things I sell, but would it be better to sell on an existing page, or make my own? Any charges involved?

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

The biggest problem with selling on Facebook is people don't read things!!
Ste wrote:
Selling on local BookFace groups is always an option, it's free and everything is cash on collection.

You could make your own group but I wouldn't expect anything to sell. Have a look at the existing groups, there'll be multiple for sale groups local to you and they'll have thousands of members.

Have a look, it's easy enough. Wink
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 10 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your advice Ste, will give it a go.
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