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Llama-Farmer
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PostPosted: 23:28 - 28 Jul 2015    Post subject: Touring luggage on CB600 Hornet - Oxford Lifetime vs Kriega Reply with quote

Hello BCF tourers...

Planning some multi-day trips on the bike... mostly around the UK this year, but probably Europe next year... France/Spain/Italy maybe.

Looking for some (removable) luggage to go on the bike, and narrowed it down to two options really, the Oxford Lifetime X50 panniers/X30 tailpack & tank bag, or the Kreiga US 10/20/30 bags.

Would be B&B/hosteling rather than camping, so just gotta worry about some clothes/essentials etc, so won't have to carry a tent & sleeping bag as well. The bike is a 1999 Honda CB600 Hornet.


What does anyone who has either of these luggage think, pros/cons, practicality, value, ease of use etc.

Anyone with a late 90s/early 00s Hornet? What removable luggage do you use?


Thanks.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dry roll + camlock straps

Soft panniers are way too fiddly for the amount of storage you can fit IMO. Only worthwhile if you have a pillion.
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PostPosted: 08:44 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of the two options I'd say go for the Kreiga set, they're probably going to be better quality, sturdier and perhaps even a little more waterproof.

If you're going to be touring on that bike Numerous times then why not look into hard luggage? Not sure where I would be without my hard panniers and topbox. Just something to keep in mind Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kreiga US30.

Probably the best piece of kit I've ever bought for the bike.

Have done various tours with it now, just got back from 10 days down to Switzerland and that is the only luggage I took.

Its unobtrusive and easy to use and should be enough space for any trip
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aff wrote:
Kreiga US30.

Probably the best piece of kit I've ever bought for the bike.


And I will agree with that 100% Thumbs Up

Kriega US30 is enough for 10 (probably 14) days if you pack sensibly, they are completely waterproof, excellent quality, easy to fit and remove and are very stable on the bike. I also had a Kriega tank converter with a US10 on it for the Eurojolly, just to keep water, documents, food in and have it easily accessible. Don't waste your money on Oxford.

Gratuitous pic of ZX12R in touring mode:

https://i1077.photobucket.com/albums/w462/MattB70/Eurojolly%20July%202015/WP_20150713_11_49_05_Pro_zpss8qjcwje.jpg
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PostPosted: 13:49 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a US30 Thumbs Up

DO NOT GET A US20

US20 is a great sized pack for a long weekender and can be made to last a week.
But stretching it out longer will cause you to sacrifice some luggage.
US30 is perfect for all of the above with an extra 10 if you need it.
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bolt a top box to the pillion seat. If you want to make it removable then simply bolt the mounting plate to the seat as well.

If you don't want to bolt you can always use straps instead.

A givi copy can be bought for £20 with mounting plate while soft panniers well they claim you can put X amount in them but I find the capacity a lot lower than claimed they also droop.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a 20 on my hornet. Fits fine on the passenger seat or on the tank when I had a pillion - just need an additional strap. Great bags all round although perhaps should have gone for the 30.

They are expensive though so if i went touring i would thinking of getting a 40L lomo bag for the seat. Just as waterproof and a load cheaper.
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PostPosted: 15:57 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doomsnite wrote:
They are expensive though


Run a quote with Thebikeinsurer and get a 15% discount off GetGeared, then buy from there through Quidco and get 8.5% cashback. Brings the price down quite a bit.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. Sounds like Kriega seems the better option then, if a little more expensive.

I think I'll maybe get a US30 and two US10s, then I've got the option of a 30, 40 or 50 litre tail pack, and can have 10 on the tank too.

If I do go for it, I'll use the Getgeared discount and cash back, thanks for that.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just about to take my Kriega US30 on it's maiden 14 day trip across europe, reccomended by matt and co!
Matt B, is the side facing the front of tbe bike the roll up end? And how did you do it so the D clips were still acessible, am i being thick Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Supermoto_Fan wrote:

is the side facing the front of tbe bike the roll up end?


Yes.

Supermoto_Fan wrote:

And how did you do it so the D clips were still acessible, am i being thick Laughing


There are a few ways, the way they tell you to do it, is attach the straps that look like this:

https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server400/de086/products/98/images/1032/kriega_spares_subframe_loops_black__74186.1393242400.900.1105.jpg?c=2

to your subframe then put the hooks on them and clip the bag to it and tighten.

I prefer to hook the two straps together under the seat then attach the bag. This means I can lift my seat without removing the bag.
Only really useful if you have a touring-blade with 14 cubic metres of storage under the seat.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be interested in your solution, for my 400SF, similar to a Hornet, but smaller Laughing

Same thing really, four or five days away at a time, no camping, because I don't own any camping gear and it will be cheaper to B&B/Hostel to see if I like it first than coughing up for camping gear I won't know how to use and then maybe even having to learn to cook!

But not sure whether to make use of the Givi top box mounts, no plate, but has the arms, but I'm not sure what I'd need to fit a top box. I could grab a set of throw-overs or get a tail-pack. I own a tank bag already but I've never used it.

Another option I thought of just now is putting everything in black bin bags, loading them into one of those big camping rucksacks and then bungeeing that to the bike. I already own one of them and I know will have the space to fit 4-5 days worth of stuff with ease, water proof, to a certain extent anyway and the bin bags should help. Would I put a plank of wood in the bottom to strengthen and support it or just leave it floppy? Thinking
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PostPosted: 22:40 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a 10 day trip to France with a tankbag, and tailpack and a small lightly loaded rucksack for quick access to small stuff, and for day trips out without all my luggage.

My Oxford tail pack is probably still in really good condition, possibly useful to someone out there, and would go with a red bike nicely too! Laughing

I just want a small blue enduro bag with the Kawasaki logo on it, to keep my moped oil measuring jugs in and a rag to wipe my spills up with!
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a pic to illustrate what Aff said (not my bike, random interweb one).

https://www.triumphrat.net/attachments/street-triple-forum/48133d1334405237-fitting-my-kriega-us20-a_helmet-015.jpg

Connected to the subframe in that example, same as on my bike. The seat pad then goes on and the straps with the metal bits hook into those and secure the bag. There are lots of different solutions, it will fit one way or the other.

Fladdem wrote:
one of those big camping rucksacks and then bungeeing that to the bike... a plank of wood in the bottom to strengthen and support it or just leave it floppy? Thinking


The reason the Kriega works so well is that when it's loaded and strapped down it is absolutely solid and does not move. We did some very twisty roads in Switzerland and Italy and the US30s stayed put, no movement when slinging the bike around. Luggage slopping around on the back would have been annoying, like a pillion that squirms all the time. They were also tested to 160+ on the Autobahn and were fine.

Monty had a bag strapped to his seat, and spent 10 minutes every time we stopped re-adjusting and tightening the straps. No matter what he did it was still wobbly. Bungees, cargo nets, Rok straps just do not hold luggage the way that the Kriega straps do. Throw overs can flap about too unless there is something for them to sit against like a footpeg hanger.

Before you do anything with your top box arms I would check the weight. Most boxes/fittings are only rated up to about 10kg. With a tail pack on the pillion seat you have no problems where weight is concerned.
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:

My Oxford tail pack is probably still in really good condition, possibly useful to someone out there, and would go with a red bike nicely too! Laughing


Hey, I've got a few red bikes.... Sold! It would give me an excuse to drool over your souped up moped and Rover Laughing

I can't think of anything worse than wobbly stuff on the back of the bike, it was just a thought. I can't deal with rucksacks really, I only keep my lunch box and uniform in the work bag but only after 20 minutes to half an hour on the CB, before I even get to work, will result in twinges in the top of my back, by my shoulders.

The top box rack was a givi monolock, I believe, but I'm not sure what a top box would be like to ride with. I prefer the looks of soft luggage anyway, sod practicality! I was trying to figure out how it would work, but I can see now and it seems quite secure really.
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