Unpredictable bikers...

[dodsi]

Wrong forum to air this opinion and I fully expect to get flamed... However...

(And bear in mind that this is coming from a motorcyclist)

But what is it with a large proportion of the motorcycling community riding chaotically and totally unpredictably?

Whenever I am driving the car and hear/spot a motorcyclist in my mirrors the majority of time they do something ridiculous to get around you. Like if you are overtaking on a duel carriageway at say 80ish and before you can move over to the left (and I mean right after getting passed whatever you are overtaking) they are already trying to undertake.

My fear of knocking someone off their bike is so great I hate to change lanes anywhere near a motorcyclist due to never knowing what they are going to do!

I know the next thing the internet driving experts are going to spin this round onto my driving somehow but honestly... In town type/busy traffic I feel motorcyclists need to slow down a little and have some patience to allow people to see them and react to them.

I have no issues with filtering and overtaking obviously and always get out of the way where I can ASAP.. It's just the impatient and arrogant fuckers that grind my gears.

[SQL]

Lack of think bike and caged biker stickers probably.

[Wonko The Sane]

i've nearly taken a bike out in a similar situation,

I passed the vehicle I was overtaking (bike was a long way behind) and had space behind me to not be cutting the car up, indicated left

at this point bike was about to pass the car I'd just passed

before I could do anything about it (I felt the cats eyes under my left wheels) and presuming the bike would pass on my right he flew past at 90+ pulled back in front of me and gave me the finger.
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[Yorkshire Geek]

If you undertake me before I can move over (yes I am that driver who obsessively keeps left in the car) and we end up occupying the same space you won't get a smidsy, you'll get called a twat.

[notbike]

Actually this is an interesting topic because I feel like a lot of the motorcyclists in London will not wait for it to be safe before filtering/overtaking. Or will not wait in general even though its pointless to be trying to overtake or filter.

How many times have you been filtering slow moving traffic, waiting for a gap to appear for a few seconds to make some progress, and this wild biker comes racing down behind you only to get stuck at the same spot as you. They then proceed to keep blipping the throttle while tailgating the shit out of the car in front and have closed the filter gap by hogging it unnecessarily.

We always get to the traffic lights at the same time anyway.

Fucking irritating. Fuck off.

[Sable]

Its the buggers that sit in filtering positions and lack the balls to filter quickly that get on my tits. You never know if they are going to make an attempt at filtering or not and are a pain in the arse to get past safely. Get into the traffic or get forward, don’t weave, wiggle, and struggle to control your bike while humping the rear right lights of the car in front.

[arry]

Won't get flamed from me. Totally agree. It's one of the reasons I don't do group ride out things me bobs


A while back whist with Mrs Arry on the back I had a guy take a proper shallow line though a roundabout to cut up inside me and the kerb at speed for no reason I could work out in the slightest since there was much more room and a wider radius to the outside. Took the same exit as me and then all of a sudden his aggression goes AWOL and he's sitting behind a line of cars. I overtake cautiously and go front of line. Then he's flying down outside at a ton on wrong side of bollards. If that much in a rush just be more progressive surely

Not an isolated incident either

[arry]

[MCN]

Don't under-take me....
Coz if I can stop them I will Stop them.

Even if it means ramming my Big Recovery-Breakdown Wagon on top of them as they pass.



I see a lot more cars, vans, whankers on bicycles than motorbikes on the road.
On a percentage (possibly biased) I think other road users are much more erratic than the majority of bikers I meet.

The one thing extra training does is help folk get good at things.

The test for car driving is soooo easy.
How many motorists could pass a bike test?

Riding a motorbike involves the following skill set:
Have to balance the vehicle.
Dealing with weather, really.
Changing the gears with one's 'wrong' foot.
Braking with your hand.
Counter Steering. (You can't ride a bike without it.)
Being Extra Careful of cnuts who are doing stuff 'not related to driving' whilst driving their vehicle.
Carrying one's luggage/lunch/shopping in one's backpack.
Unable to communicate with our passenger.
etc.

I think most bikers do no' two bad when it's spelled out.

[arry]

[MCN]

[dodsi]

Ah yes the sitting in the filtering position but not filtering passee which is basically sat in my blind spot then just when I think it is safe to change position... BAM they make their move!

I genuinely fear about knocking these guys off, I would hate myself regardless of fault.

Problem is, these behaviours are more common than not in motorcyclists.

It's true that there are more nob head car drivers due to the volume but as a % of the motorcyclist population most do these things than not.

Don't get me started on cyclists, and I cycle a lot!

[arry]

[MCN]

[arry]

[stevo as b4]

Why on earth should you get flamed because bike forum? That would be a very much wanker way of looking at things.

I only today saw a bike (think it was a street triple) in Winson Green, pull out of a junction and swerve past a car in a 30mph residential street, cut in front of a bus and then slam on the brakes and turn right after racing past a car for no good reason at all.

There's more Audi cock's out there though percentage wise, but there's plenty of bikers that are cocks too.

[kramdra]

[techathy]

[rubyhorse2]

no sympathy for idiot riders at all. never really understood this 'have to be at front, rushing about' mentality just because we are on bikes.

Yes we can filter, get to the front of queues etc but really is it necessary all the time.

[arry]

[instigator.]

[chris-red]

I do most of what is being slagged off, why? I like getting where I want to get where I'm going quick and it is fun.

I fully expect the car to pull in after overtaking, however if I'm coming up faster it's quicker (and saves fuel and brakes ) to cut inside and go that way. It's easy enough to work out where everything is going to be going and how to get through with no danger.

[esullivan]

I see behaviour like this every day.

This morning on the A40, coming on to the Westway flyover in the outside lane, doing 50-ish in what is ostensibly a 40 limit (ignored by everyone but tourists in practice). I'm behind a white van, who is overtaking a lorry to my left.

I'm waiting for him to complete the overtake and move over (he's already indicating left) when an ER-5 comes whipping passed me on my left, sits six inches from the van's left brake light and undertakes him the instant the gap opens up between their wing mirrors (before the van had even completed the overtake).

I assume these people really, really love their jobs and want to get there as fast as possible. But it's not working. I filtered up to Mr. Daredevil ER-5 at the next lights. The van was two cars behind us.
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[WimbleHJR]

I have to admit, I do most of the things listed as well. Partly it's because I'm impatient, partly because I can and partly because sometimes it's necessary.

I won't pretend I'm always in the right, however on Motorways I'll always be as left as possible and if someone is closing on me I'll let them pass and pull back out. It seems 80% of cagers don't want to risk not getting back out so sit in the right hand lane. Most of the time I'd argue, if I've undertook you then there was space for you to move over, so you should have already moved and I wouldn't have had to undertake. (Not saying this is the case with the OP, but expected poor driving probably leads to undertaking as much as actual poor driving)

Now, I'm not perfect, sometimes I'll hypothetically weave in and out of motorway traffic if it's not going as fast as I'd like. Why? Dunno, I know it only saves me a few minutes, but it's kinda fun!

Finally, there are some morons on the road where I just want to be passed them. If you're going to go for it, go fast and get out the way! That's how I approach it.

I don't think the OP would like how I ride, but I honestly believe I ride safely.
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