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PostPosted: 15:38 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Fake Britain (bike leathers and helmets) Reply with quote
Sat in front of the telly this morning and saw this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b042v9yn/fake-britain-series-5-episode-3

They did a article on fake bike gear, have to say it was a bit worrying about the bash-hats Shocked .

We all know about shoddy goods and not to buy, but I thought i`d just put it here Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Re: Fake Britain (bike leathers and helmets) Reply with quote
pepperami wrote:
Sat in front of the telly this morning and saw this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b042v9yn/fake-britain-series-5-episode-3

They did a article on fake bike gear, have to say it was a bit worrying about the bash-hats Shocked .

We all know about shoddy goods and not to buy, but I thought i`d just put it here Thumbs Up


Ignore it. It took me 8 hours to film the article and al the key points I tried to get over they ignored or cut out.

The leathers were not fake, they were just cheap, and I made the point several times that cheap leather which does the job once, is better than jeans and T shirt which will afford no protection at all, but unfortunately the producers were not interested, therefore the programme lost all credibility as far as I am concerned even though it is me being interviewed.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Saw a bit of it. What about the AGV lid they tested, was that a fake?
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cheers for the link pepperami. I don't watch much on the TV anymore so would not have seen this without you posting it.

As T.C was saying, 3 seconds of protection as you are scraping down the road would be better than nothing, and don't forget that the program was comparing the gear to some pretty expensive stuff that was being used on a racetrack. If they are listed a replica or not sold as Genuine then you get what you pay for.

As for the crash helmet, I can't remember them showing if the dodgy helmet was actually marked with any BSI Kitemark or equivalent? If it was marked when it shouldn't have been then that (to me) is much more serious.... Tut Tut
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Perhaps the gyst of the programme is to explain to the public the sort of shit that reaches the market from criminals.

Whether it offers protection or not it all looked like shite from a mile away.

The stitching is a concern as proper gear is double stitched with the main structural stitches protected by a layer of stitched leather.
They tested abrasion which was better than a pair of trackie bottoms but the other substantial issue is where stitching is abraded and fails leaving the hair on one's arse to do the protection. Or weak stiching simply fails under load.

The producers probably 'edited' the article where TC's valuable advice was involved to fit it all in.

Not many folk would be that interested in watching a 1/2hr of leathers testing when there is a perfectly good Jeremy Kyle show on. Smile

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PostPosted: 20:03 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
MCN wrote:

Not many folk would be that interested in watching a 1/2hr of leathers testing when there is a perfectly good Jeremy Kyle show on. Smile



It`s sad enough that I had the telly on in the morning, Crying or Very sad , but if I EVER start watching Jeremy Kyle, Kill me now Shocked
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
ADAMH0 wrote:
As for the crash helmet, I can't remember them showing if the dodgy helmet was actually marked with any BSI Kitemark or equivalent? If it was marked when it shouldn't have been then that (to me) is much more serious.... Tut Tut


The kite mark ASNI (whateva) and etc. is only a standard.
Many people may buy a helmet based on how much it costs. If there is no badge on it it will still fit. Smile
You can even buy a second hand helmet. Shocked
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cool T.C Thumbs Up

Agreed the programme was awful, only lasted first 10 minutes.

If your buying a 'YAMAHA' suit off ebay for 200 quid it's clearly not genuine. Laughing

Yet another programme made to pacify the nation me thinks. Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
MCN wrote:
The kite mark ASNI (whateva) and etc. is only a standard.


Yes, but the part that I meant that was more serious, was the faking of this sticker/label, therefore the deception/fraud etc.

A cheap crash helmet that meets the required safety standard is absolutely fine.
A second hand crash helmet (that hasn't been dropped) that meets the safety standard, is fine.
A replica crash helmet that is sold to put on display/plant flowers in/masturbate over, with no safety markings is fine.

When the safety standard sticker/logo/number is put on the helmet and it doesn't actually meet the standards, then the helmets should be confiscated and the seller prosecuted/shut down/shot. Just like the tossers who would sell a sofa with the appropriate "fire retardant label", when it's actually made from something that will go up like a bonfire soaked in petrol when someone drops fag ash on it.
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PostPosted: 21:40 - 29 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
ADAMH0 wrote:
MCN wrote:
The kite mark ASNI (whateva) and etc. is only a standard.


Yes, but the part that I meant that was more serious, was the faking of this sticker/label, therefore the deception/fraud etc.

A cheap crash helmet that meets the required safety standard is absolutely fine.
A second hand crash helmet (that hasn't been dropped) that meets the safety standard, is fine.
A replica crash helmet that is sold to put on display/plant flowers in/masturbate over, with no safety markings is fine.

When the safety standard sticker/logo/number is put on the helmet and it doesn't actually meet the standards, then the helmets should be confiscated and the seller prosecuted/shut down/shot. Just like the tossers who would sell a sofa with the appropriate "fire retardant label", when it's actually made from something that will go up like a bonfire soaked in petrol when someone drops fag ash on it.


True.
On the second hand helmets thing it doesn't have to be dropped to be no good.
The polystyrene (shock absorber) deteriorates in old helmets or is even deformed/crushed from having a hied inside it.
Compressed styrofoam won't work as well as un-worn styrofoam.
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PostPosted: 08:03 - 30 Jul 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
ADAMH0 wrote:
Yes, but the part that I meant that was more serious, was the faking of this sticker/label, therefore the deception/fraud etc.

It's not clear from the article, and the BBC knocked back my query about it. Journos have a get-out from the FOI, even ones funding their liquid lunches from our tax money. Rolling Eyes

Another batch of dodgy lids:

https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/helmets-that-increase-chance-of-death-seized/25019.html

I'll re-iterate my sperg in there:

Rogerborg wrote:
They were marked "GB811-1998" which is a Chinese helmet standard. No ECE22.05 (or BSI 6658) markings.

"official ECE" marking is an interesting phrase. One of the problems with ECE and BSI is that there's no way (that I've found) to check with the testing body that a helmet brand actually has been tested. So we have to just trust the marking on it.


Or not trust it. One of the joys of https://sharp.direct.gov.uk/ is that they buy their lids at retail. I'd put far more trust in a SHARP rating (any SHARP rating) than whatever label happens to be on a lid.

Mad lulz at T.C imagining that more than the tritest, dumbiest-downest out-of-context 30 seconds would get used. You think a copper of all people would know about the risks of selective citation. Laughing

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