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alliasjay
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Green Laning bike question Reply with quote

Greetings fellow bikers.

I'm interested in getting into green laning and have been looking around at a decent bike to purchase.

I'm only 5'7 and weigh 60kg. I'm not the tallest of people so that kinda limits me on the sizes of bikes as I want to be able to put my feet down ofc.

I am considering a Honda XR400. Looking for something that I don't need to fully service after every ride out. It's only going to be used on roads to get to the green lanes so I don't really mind about top end performance, but something comfortable that will be ride-able for a full day enjoyable and good for any technical bits that the green lanes will be offering.


Are there any other bikes worth considering? I had thought about the Suzuki DRZ400, nice to have an electric start but at the cost of higher maintenance, slightly taller and heavier.

Any thoughts ideas or suggestions? Smile

Many thanks for your time


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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wrong forum alert - possibly. XR400 is kick start only, and although it's got a decompression lever to save your right leg, they can still be a total bastard to relight once they've gone over. Bland though they may be, for a total novice a more recently made 250 4t would almost certainly be the better option. CRF250L or KLX250 - these also have the advantage of indicators, so make life on the road easier (assuming you're not going to trailer the bike to wherever you ride it). Hand signals are all well and good, but flashers are a fair bit easier.
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PostPosted: 17:02 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a very quick learner so the total novice title won't last for that long at all. So the bike doesn't really need to be for a total beginner.

It's just finding something that's a good height... not super heavy, preferably bulletproof and something that will provide a good amount of enjoyment Smile oh and budget would be somewhere around £2000-£2500
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PostPosted: 17:09 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah post in the Off Road forum.

I ride a CRF250L most of the time I green lane.

I've also used (as far as I can remember) CCM, CRF230, DRZ250, RV125, KMX125, DT125, GS650 Sertao, XR250, Suzuki Serow

The CRF250L has long service intervals. I like it, but it is a little heavy and lacking in ground clearance, and is built to a budget, for example levers don't hinge, front forks have oil damp one side and a spring on the other, so needs lots of upgrades, I tend to do them as and when. Mine now has bark busters, bash plate, haul loops, fork gaiters, carry rack, off road tyres, mousses.

I've binned the mirrors, and the tool box, the tool kit was hopeless for green laning, I've made my own up and use a Kreiga Dry PAck on the rack. The indicators still work, for the time being....

Kick starts look cool, but when your muddy boot has slipped off the kicker for the umpteenth time in a row after having an off having an electric start is nice.

Good thing about the CRF250L is that there are a load of second hand ones coming up now, often with lots of little upgrades.

Mine has taken a total hammering, and still works. Though the instrument panel sort of doesn't anymore. I've ridden it over obstacles that are too gnarly for it, or at least I've tried to and then not managed them.

Finally, after 2 years I think I can ride beyond the bikes off road ability rather than my own.

Not too bad on the open road on the stock tyres, which are okayish on a green lane, but not wet mud baths.

Here is a video of a fairly typical green lane that I ride, filmed on my CRF250L back in Feb this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDDy1BOWPzg
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx1138 wrote:
yeah post in the Off Road forum.

I ride a CRF250L most of the time I green lane.



Same here, I'm a bit taller but seem to have short-ish legs, however I can get feet down near enough once actually on it (compressing suspension)
It's not especially capable on real rough going, but a reasonable and inexpensive choice for a bit of pootling about to see if you like it.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:

It's not especially capable on real rough going,


I sometimes ride mine here

https://www.devilspit.co.uk/offroad/

Laughing it never ends well Laughing

(you won't see bike events on their diary, but they do allow groups to block book the site, and the TRF and the Letchworth Mud Munchers book it out for bike days)
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If someone wants to move this post thats cool Wink although I am a new rider :p or will be once I get a bike anyway

thanks for the responses so far
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx1138 wrote:
Kick starts look cool, but when your muddy boot has slipped off the kicker for the umpteenth time in a row after having an off having an electric start is nice.


This, this, a thousand times this. I found it incredibly frustrating to be stuck at the bottom of a hill in a muddy puddle and then struggling to kick start the bike only to stall it again..... Or when I had just managed to get it going again and some horses approaching from the other direction meant that one of the other guys I rode with leant over and hit the kill switch.....

Electric start.

Also the xr's are heavy bikes for what they are, the 400 comes in at around 117kg's compared to say a crf250 which is somewhere around 90kg's.
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PostPosted: 19:35 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

tbh I also considered a KTM 400 EXC. But was wondering what the maintenance on that bike would be like. Some say it's not too bad.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

waffles wrote:
also the xr's are heavy bikes for what they are, the 400 comes in at around 117kg's compared to say a crf250 which is somewhere around 90kg's.


The CRF250L is very heavy in comparison to it's CRF cousins I'm afraid. The wet weight is 144 kilos

https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/adventure/crf250l-2013/specifications.html

The enduro version is much lighter, but costs more, and service intervals are more frequent;
https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/off-road/crf250x-2015/specifications.html

I'd now love to have a CRF250X! But the CRF250L was a cheaper novice friendly option when I bought it.

There are lots of bikes with the CRF prefix mind;
https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/off-road/crf250r-2015/overview.html
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx1138 wrote:
waffles wrote:
also the xr's are heavy bikes for what they are, the 400 comes in at around 117kg's compared to say a crf250 which is somewhere around 90kg's.


The CRF250L is very heavy in comparison to it's CRF cousins I'm afraid. The wet weight is 144 kilos


My bad, I looked up the weight of the r not the l Embarassed
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

alliasjay wrote:
tbh I also considered a KTM 400 EXC. But was wondering what the maintenance on that bike would be like. Some say it's not too bad.


Well, it's a completely different animal.

If you can get hold of either the September issue of Bike magazine, or the August issue of Dirt Bike Rider magazine, they review all of the EXC range across the 2016 models.

Okay, I know you probably don't intend to buy a brand new bike, do you? But some quite insightful reviews.

From my observations of watching people ride the KTM range, they leave me for dust, or roost, on the trails. Ride them like they stole them at pay and play sites. Lag behind in my now binned mirrors on the road, until I fitted mousses and AC 10 tyres anyway, and fail to proceed a little more often than the Honda owners, and fail to turn up at all at the meeting points in the morning due to mechanical problems a bit more often too.

Personally though, I'm looking to move to a KTM in the spring.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx1138 wrote:
Suzuki Serow


Or the Yamaha vanvan.

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PostPosted: 20:41 - 04 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

alliasjay wrote:
tbh I also considered a KTM 400 EXC. But was wondering what the maintenance on that bike would be like. Some say it's not too bad.


Valve checks every forty hours iirc. But you'd get away with more...probably...
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