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Suntan Sid
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: ID theft. My tinfoil hat's not thick enough! Reply with quote

You couldn't make this up!

Apparently, our lords and masters, in collusion financial institutions, as yet unnamed, along with Google and Microsoft, have deemed it acceptable to gather everyone's financial data together and store the lot in one, giant, "data vault", FFS!

Allegedly it's going to make it easier for everyone to open new bank accounts etc. Rolling Eyes

A whole nations worth of financial data, all stored in one place.
Really, what could possibly go wrong? Rolling Eyes

Who, in their right mind, thinks this garbage up?

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-sunday-telegraph/20150816/281719793318148/TextView
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: Re: ID theft. My tinfoil hat's not thick enough! Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
You couldn't make this up!

Apparently, our lords and masters, in collusion financial institutions, as yet unnamed, along with Google and Microsoft, have deemed it acceptable to gather everyone's financial data together and store the lot in one, giant, "data vault", FFS!

Allegedly it's going to make it easier for everyone to open new bank accounts etc. Rolling Eyes

A whole nations worth of financial data, all stored in one place.
Really, what could possibly go wrong? Rolling Eyes

Who, in their right mind, thinks this garbage up?

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/the-sunday-telegraph/20150816/281719793318148/TextView



Ah the glory of "The Cloud" and it's unlimited resources at the expense of security.
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PostPosted: 15:55 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really see the issue, it's about trying to prevent a pensions crisis by encouraging saving. The state pension will probably be abolished within a few decades. It doesn't really change your privacy as its "opt in" and it doesn't increase state power as they can already access bank data. The new service may well be a target for hackers but no more so than existing banks are. It's not as if hackers are turning their nose up at hacking Barclays or HSBC because there's not enough money to steal!
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
I don't really see the issue, it's about trying to prevent a pensions crisis by encouraging saving. The state pension will probably be abolished within a few decades.


Laughing If the government wanted to encourage saving it would hike interest rates to 6%. It would make ALL savings tax free and it would not have put into place the fact that people can raid their pension pots.
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
I don't really see the issue, it's about trying to prevent a pensions crisis by encouraging saving. The state pension will probably be abolished within a few decades.


Laughing If the government wanted to encourage saving it would hike interest rates to 6%. It would make ALL savings tax free and it would not have put into place the fact that people can raid their pension pots.


Clearly increasing interest rates to 6% is going to have much more severe side effects than creating an opt-in system to make it easier to open savings accounts. They aren't really comparable. One is a dramatic shift in the economy, the other is a quick low risk idea that may help things a bit.
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PostPosted: 16:57 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm struggling to see the difference between the data vault and a credit reference agency.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
I'm struggling to see the difference between the data vault and a credit reference agency.


A credit reference agency has to go through a strict vetting procedure, then if successful it must adhere to strict security guidelines in order to access the several different databases which all hold different data.

Once the agency has retrieves the data requested it combines it to produce the report requested by the client.

The "Data Leaky Teabag" will have all that data stored in one giant database, thus making it easy for 3rd parties to access the data and for the nasty bad kitten killing hackers to get hold of it.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They would be buggered trying to nick my money......... I haven't got any Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 18:14 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im-a-Ridah wrote:
I don't really see the issue, it's about trying to prevent a pensions crisis by encouraging saving. The state pension will probably be abolished within a few decades. It doesn't really change your privacy as its "opt in" and it doesn't increase state power as they can already access bank data. The new service may well be a target for hackers but no more so than existing banks are. It's not as if hackers are turning their nose up at hacking Barclays or HSBC because there's not enough money to steal!


Well, your looking on the bright side, aren't you!

The pessimist in me is telling me this is the perfect tool for the government to wield, when the UK goes tits up and a bail in/out/default/reset, whatever bollox our paymasters want to call it, kicks in!
None of all that messing around closing banks and cash machines, a la Cyprus and Greece, oh no, just extract the required amount from bank accounts, as in Cyprus, no fuss, bish bosh job done and sweet FA you can do about it!

And of course there's not even the remotest possibility that all this data will be compromised at some point, because HM Government has such a fantastic, unblemished, record when it comes to mislaying , sensitive, personal information! Rolling Eyes

Anyway no need to worry, it'll be as safe as houses won't it, HSBC as honest as the day is long, FFS!
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:


Well, your looking on the bright side, aren't you!

The pessimist in me is telling me this is the perfect tool for the government to wield, when the UK goes tits up and a bail in/out/default/reset, whatever bollox our paymasters want to call it, kicks in!
None of all that messing around closing banks and cash machines, a la Cyprus and Greece, oh no, just extract the required amount from bank accounts, as in Cyprus, no fuss, bish bosh job done and sweet FA you can do about it!

And of course there's not even the remotest possibility that all this data will be compromised at some point, because HM Government has such a fantastic, unblemished, record when it comes to mislaying , sensitive, personal information! Rolling Eyes

Anyway no need to worry, it'll be as safe as houses won't it, HSBC as honest as the day is long, FFS!


Not really, I'm unlikely to use this "service".

The service doesn't actually manage accounts in the paying in/taking out sense from what I can see, it just tells you how much you have and owe etc, and lets you share that with banks to simplify opening accounts.

As for the government/HSBC taking money from the account and similar variations on that scenario, the existing structures could already be leveraged to do that, this adds nothing. It couldn't even be used a sort of phone directory of bank accounts because it's opt in and hence incomplete. The bank's own records are complete, and already exist, and can be used to get the money out.

Hacking is also a valid concern but no more so than hacking of the banks themselves. Don't you see how it's irrational to be concerned about the data security of a banking information summary service, but less concerned about the data security of the actual bank?
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:

A credit reference agency has to go through a strict vetting procedure, then if successful it must adhere to strict security guidelines in order to access the several different databases which all hold different data.

Once the agency has retrieves the data requested it combines it to produce the report requested by the client.


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PostPosted: 22:29 - 17 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

State pension abolished.

Jesus, I'm pretty right wing but to do that we will have shades of Soylant Green, rich enclaves and apartments with 'furniture'. (watch the film if you don't know what I mean)

I hope to fuck I'm long gone before this country comes to that.
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PostPosted: 07:19 - 18 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
State pension abolished.

Jesus, I'm pretty right wing but to do that we will have shades of Soylant Green, rich enclaves and apartments with 'furniture'. (watch the film if you don't know what I mean)

I hope to fuck I'm long gone before this country comes to that.


Financially the pension was a mistake as it's a sort of ponzi scheme and they're not going to have enough young people to pay the pension. This mistake is for the most part why the government is so keen on mass immigration, to ensure there enough workers in the future to pay the huge pension bill, because people these days aren't having enough children! Long term they would like to transition to a system of private pensions.
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