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Hi
The SF, SG and SH ratings are for spark ignition engines, there are equivalent ratings for diesel oils. The second letter is the rating, with the higher letter being a later rating.
Diesel oils tend to have higher detergent levels, and I know quite a lot of people do use it
Personally used car oil in bikes loads of times without problems, but never used that oil.
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There is a massive school of thought on motor oils in bikes.
The issue is due to some bike engines, clutch and gearbox use a common oil reservoir.
Some motor oils have additives which can include friction modifiers to help reduce friction between the moving parts of the engine.
These additives 'can' affect the clutch by bonding to the plates.
That could cause slip.
BUUUUUT... there is a lot of disagreement on this subject and some will use any oil in anything.
That is poor maintenance as doing so can involve some risk since there is very limited evidence that it can or cannot do harm.
I know for fact multigrade oil cannot be used in certain transmissions and brake systems of certain vehicles as the modifiers will cause harm.  ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Halfords 10/40 in the green bottle ... GSX1400, original clutch ... mildly breathed on engine (125RWBHP/98.5 ft/lb torque) ... no slip at all and now over 100,000 miles
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My own preference is not to use car engine oil in a motorcycle engine - mainly because motorbike oil needs to lubricate the gearbox aswell, and most car engine oils are not recommended for this, due to the higher pressures that are generated between mating gear surfaces.
There are a few exceptions of course, but generally, gearboxes on cars need a different oil to the engine, but motorbikes need something that suits both engine and gearbox, and doesnt cause the clutch to slip or de-laminate.
If in doubt, stick to the manufacturer's guidelines. ____________________ Honda Varadero XL125(V8)
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Escalated-quickly-gunna-b-good, etc.
| Taught2BCautious wrote: | My own preference is not to use car engine oil in a motorcycle engine - [...] If in doubt, stick to the manufacturer's guidelines. |
You realise that many folk are riding around on bikes that were designed long before "motorcycle" oil was even a Thing?
I'm fairly[*] sure that even my relatively modern Nazi Tractor doesn't specify motorcycle specific oil. I've been throwing in whatever Carlube or Autoschmierung branded slop is cheapest at Morrisons or Lidl, no problems.
If I had a ZXRZRRRR, I'd probably use something fancy, mind, because racebike.
[*] For intardstubes argument purposes. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Your 'dero would have been designed in the mid to late 1990s. It's entirely possible the engine design is even older.
Does Honda-san mandate motorcycle specific oil for it? I'd be surprised. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Taught2BCautious wrote: | The manual for the early versions was fairly ambiguous, saying that the oil only needs to "...meet or exceed requirements for API Service Clkassifications: SE, SF or SG." but doesn't recommend a specific brand.
The manual for mine goes a bit further for later models, warning against using API SH or higher, Energy Conserving types, oils with graphite or molybdenum based additives, vegetable or castor based oils, non-detergent, or 'Racing' oils.
They also recommend 'Honda 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oil' or equivavlent - I think most post 2008 Honda manuals do. |
OEMs pay oil companies to put additives in their 'OEM branded' oils. This is stuff the designers, 'WHO, WITHOUT ARGUMENT, ARE VERY WELL READ PEOPLE', decide will be of benefit to their machinery.
You do not HAVE to use their recommendations and alternatives are available but you have the choice to use OEM or not.
It is up to the person.
I don't put tomato juice in my beer but I know some folk think it tastes superb.  ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Cite some what? ____________________ Disclaimer: The comments above may be predicted text and not necessarily the opinion of MCN. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 10 years, 185 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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