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Gazz
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Using car oil in my bike. Reply with quote

Just a quick question, would it be ok to use this type of oil in my bike?

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I usually use this stuff for servicing the car, but I've heard that you can use some car oils on bikes.

The manuals for my bike states the following:
"Use SAE 10W/40 viscosity of oil under APIclassification of SF or SG, SH."


Also, what do the codes SF, SG and SH mean?
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

The SF, SG and SH ratings are for spark ignition engines, there are equivalent ratings for diesel oils. The second letter is the rating, with the higher letter being a later rating.

Diesel oils tend to have higher detergent levels, and I know quite a lot of people do use it

Personally used car oil in bikes loads of times without problems, but never used that oil.

All the best

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PostPosted: 20:42 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a massive school of thought on motor oils in bikes.
The issue is due to some bike engines, clutch and gearbox use a common oil reservoir.
Some motor oils have additives which can include friction modifiers to help reduce friction between the moving parts of the engine.
These additives 'can' affect the clutch by bonding to the plates.
That could cause slip.

BUUUUUT... there is a lot of disagreement on this subject and some will use any oil in anything.

That is poor maintenance as doing so can involve some risk since there is very limited evidence that it can or cannot do harm.

I know for fact multigrade oil cannot be used in certain transmissions and brake systems of certain vehicles as the modifiers will cause harm. Tut Tut
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it meets the spec that your bike needs then it can be used. I'd use it in any bike that needed 10w40 oil
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PostPosted: 21:01 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Halfords 10/40 in the green bottle ... GSX1400, original clutch ... mildly breathed on engine (125RWBHP/98.5 ft/lb torque) ... no slip at all and now over 100,000 miles Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 21:18 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:

That is poor maintenance as doing so can involve some risk since there is very limited evidence that it can or cannot do harm.


Cite some
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The product data sheet specifically states chevron supreme 10w40 is suitable for motorcycles.

https://alexisoil.com/sites/default/files/220002-220155-220059-220060-220135-220013-220011-supreme-mo-30-40-10w30-10w40-20w50-pds_1.pdf
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PostPosted: 07:45 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My own preference is not to use car engine oil in a motorcycle engine - mainly because motorbike oil needs to lubricate the gearbox aswell, and most car engine oils are not recommended for this, due to the higher pressures that are generated between mating gear surfaces.

There are a few exceptions of course, but generally, gearboxes on cars need a different oil to the engine, but motorbikes need something that suits both engine and gearbox, and doesnt cause the clutch to slip or de-laminate.

If in doubt, stick to the manufacturer's guidelines.
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PostPosted: 08:20 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
MCN wrote:

That is poor maintenance as doing so can involve some risk since there is very limited evidence that it can or cannot do harm.


Cite some


Exactly the reason this clown went near on straight to enemy list. It's like posting something for the sake of posting

Now with him spouting a good one hundred posts an hour the forum just looks shit with non displayed posts everywhere and just about every thread ruined in terms of timeline and readability.

Of course he's probably on his 6th gold blob by now so no doubt he'll be banned soon. Joy
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PostPosted: 09:41 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Escalated-quickly-gunna-b-good, etc.

Taught2BCautious wrote:
My own preference is not to use car engine oil in a motorcycle engine - [...] If in doubt, stick to the manufacturer's guidelines.

You realise that many folk are riding around on bikes that were designed long before "motorcycle" oil was even a Thing?

I'm fairly[*] sure that even my relatively modern Nazi Tractor doesn't specify motorcycle specific oil. I've been throwing in whatever Carlube or Autoschmierung branded slop is cheapest at Morrisons or Lidl, no problems.

If I had a ZXRZRRRR, I'd probably use something fancy, mind, because racebike.

[*] For intardstubes argument purposes.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Stirred it a bit
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What has been said in the thread is possibly true and specific oil is not that important. Or possibly not true and you could cause harm.

But. Since this it is a big and beautiful world with many variations of themes the lay-person cannot know exactly what to put in their engine.
So we have to rely on what the OEM prescribes.

For one thing, mixing certain engine oils is not always a good thing (loads of info on that if the forum Proles care to surf.)

And there are those who have used anything for years in their bike/car/lawnmower for years without any harm.

The fact is that people's opinion is subject to anecdote and hearsay.

What stands up to scrutiny will require proper analysis and not some guy on the forum's personal taste.

The OEM provide the spec. for ease use the advice from that. If you dont care then don't care.

It's not a massive saving to use car oil rather than bike specific oil.

But if you don't accept OEM advice then that is a choice you make.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
You realise that many folk are riding around on bikes that were designed long before "motorcycle" oil was even a Thing?


Yes, but I don't have a preference as to what oil they use in their's Smile
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your 'dero would have been designed in the mid to late 1990s. It's entirely possible the engine design is even older.

Does Honda-san mandate motorcycle specific oil for it? I'd be surprised.
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrGs1 wrote:
Armchair experts are in one boat or the other when it comes to bike specific oil or car oil.

For reference Yamaha say nothing about using 'motorcycle' oil for the FZS 600 any 10/30 or 10/40 oil that meets the SL or CF spec will do just remember to avoid oil that has friction reducing additives as your clutch is likely to slip.

Personally I buy a couple of castrol gtx 4L bottles when it is on offer at Asda never had a problem on two bikes in over 80,000 miles.


Contradictory info there 'Flaming' M8. Razz

Castrol GTX is a modified oil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiwear_additive

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PostPosted: 11:21 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrGs1 wrote:
Yes you gimp?

Castrol GTX is fine however the Castrol magnetic range is known for causing clutch slip.

Moving on......

Middle Finger


Cool on the 'magnetic range'! Confused

The fact remains that you still don't exactly know wtf you are chundering on about.

No mater your post was rated as abusive. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear MsGsI,

You commented that you use Castrol GTX oil in your bike.
Castrol GTX, as I stated, contains friction modifiers to prevent metal sticking to metal. It was designed for use in engines.
As I correctly stated in many motorcycles the clutch uses the same oil as the engine and gearbox. They also use metal to metal clutch mechanisms.
Friction modifiers in that environment can affect the function of the clutch. (Even if the clutch uses an organic material the friction modifiers can affect that too.)

Rather than flame, disagree et cetera, just google the facts that are splattered all of the Internet or library.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Does Honda-san mandate motorcycle specific oil for it? I'd be surprised.


The manual for the early versions was fairly ambiguous, saying that the oil only needs to "...meet or exceed requirements for API Service Clkassifications: SE, SF or SG." but doesn't recommend a specific brand.

The manual for mine goes a bit further for later models, warning against using API SH or higher, Energy Conserving types, oils with graphite or molybdenum based additives, vegetable or castor based oils, non-detergent, or 'Racing' oils.

They also recommend 'Honda 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oil' or equivavlent - I think most post 2008 Honda manuals do.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taught2BCautious wrote:
The manual for the early versions was fairly ambiguous, saying that the oil only needs to "...meet or exceed requirements for API Service Clkassifications: SE, SF or SG." but doesn't recommend a specific brand.

The manual for mine goes a bit further for later models, warning against using API SH or higher, Energy Conserving types, oils with graphite or molybdenum based additives, vegetable or castor based oils, non-detergent, or 'Racing' oils.

They also recommend 'Honda 4 Stroke Motorcycle Oil' or equivavlent - I think most post 2008 Honda manuals do.


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OEMs pay oil companies to put additives in their 'OEM branded' oils. This is stuff the designers, 'WHO, WITHOUT ARGUMENT, ARE VERY WELL READ PEOPLE', decide will be of benefit to their machinery.
You do not HAVE to use their recommendations and alternatives are available but you have the choice to use OEM or not.
It is up to the person.

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PostPosted: 12:06 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
MCN wrote:

That is poor maintenance as doing so can involve some risk since there is very limited evidence that it can or cannot do harm.


Cite some


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PostPosted: 12:15 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wr6133 wrote:
wr6133 wrote:
Cite some


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Cite some what?
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 23 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:


Cite some what?


The evidence that car oil can do some harm
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