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PostPosted: 22:04 - 25 Aug 2015    Post subject: Homemade ground anchors? Reply with quote

Shopping around for a ground anchor but the option of actually installing one into the ground is out of the question due to lack of access to a drill and not wanting to annoy the landlord in the long run. So homemade / DIY ground anchor it is.

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Paddy. wrote:
Ghetto way, get a plant pot and 2 thick d locks.

Fill the pot with concrete, sink d locks in leaving enough for chain to pass through both.

Looks like garden item, weighs a fuck ton.


So something like this plant pot and conrete and D Lock?

Questions;

(a) Does the type or size of plant pot used matter beside the obvious point that it needs to be big enough to fit the d-lock in? as in my view even if it was smashed as the budget one linked above the thief will be faced with a lump of concrete to hack away at anyway, or am I missing something?

(b) Pour concrete into plant pot, set d-lock, add water and wait for it to set?

(c) Would the above d-lock suffice or is there other recommendations that people have?

I'm not after the most expensive products just something that's better than nothing.

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PostPosted: 22:15 - 25 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The size of the plant pot matters because it's got to be big enough so someone can't carry it off.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 25 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
The size of the plant pot matters because it's got to be big enough so someone can't carry it off.


Doh Brick Wall

I assume that since it's about the weight something like this would be better than this?

I sense plastic is a bad choice.
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 25 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Plastic's fine, it's the concrete that's heavy. I can carry two bags of postmix comfortably but I'll struggle with three so you want something that'll hold 3 bags minimum.
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PostPosted: 00:01 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pol Anorl wrote:
Youre gonna need a BIG pot... say 50cm or so and fairly tall...

i can carry 3 bags of cement.. 2 guys would move it easily.


Whilst chained to a bike on a short chain?
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PostPosted: 06:02 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you should be looking more towards something like this

https://www.homebase.co.uk/en/homebaseuk/traditional-water-butt---210l-013274
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PostPosted: 07:18 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would want a fairly big pot. 15cm won't do much. Bigger one that can just sit there all day and you loop the chain through.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Monkey wrote:
I think you should be looking more towards something like this


Looks huge of course good for the job but I'm not sure I'd have enough space for it or that it would be practical since I'm looking to do two versions of whatever I make. Something like this a little cheaper, 51cm and doesn't really have any handles so makes it a little harder to attempt to carry away. Although I'm still to view anything in person and wanted to ask before investing to ensure I was along the correct lines.

On the subject of d-locks would the one in the original post be sufficient or are we talking more like this 16mm oxford d-lock? I assume just like chains 16mm-19mm is recommended.
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PostPosted: 08:09 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I prefer the idea of an oil type drum with a pipe through it, filled with concrete still.
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would go for a pot that will hold at least 60Kg of concrete, and put some heavy-duty garden mesh in there to help hold it together.

You can also get artificial trees, where the branches have plastic-covered metal cores. Won't add much weight, but a 60kg pot with a 6ft palm tree sticking out of it is going to be very difficult to spirit away.

I sometimes see these artificial potted trees in hotel lobbies, pubs and restaurants - and if I didn't have a garage, would definitely go for something like that.
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PostPosted: 08:24 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

can you not dig a hole rather then use a pot

fill with concerete about three quarters of the way up when its just setting put the lock in

then fill rest with cement (or cerment if you are bodyguard) then cover with some gravel or something to make it look nicer

this is what I did to lock my bench up as somone nicked it off the front garden Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 08:34 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've considered something like this before as I also rent.

Filling a water butt with concrete is great, but at 120l and concrete no doubt weighing more than 1kg a litre, how on earth do you move it when it comes to moving time?!
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

LustyLew wrote:
how on earth do you move it when it comes to moving time?!


I'd take a guess at a (a) sack trolley (b) push it over and wheel it (c) leave it as a gift for the next tenant.

Although on the plus side if you cannot move it without a bike attached at least it makes it as difficult as possible for anyone else to do the same with a bike and chain attached, even more so if they're coming without expecting to face the above. Also buys more time to potato them.

andyscooter wrote:
can you not dig a hole rather then use a pot


Sadly not otherwise I'd go for an actual ground anchor.

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I'm starting to see the appeal of bigger is better although will need to find something that's within budget and also suitable for the space I have available even if that does mean downsizing from the best possible as above something is better than nothing although it's safe to say that it's best if I went all out on one with a decent setup rather than two cheap options.

I'm sure once I manage to find the time to take a look in store that it will quickly become obvious what would suffice and what would not.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could you not make a kind of concrete casting with a wooden box and maybe a big post through the middle so that you have a big hole to pass a chain through once you have removed the mould.

Having a hole in it might help with lifting it to move it as you could put a long bar through it then and a few people might be able to carry it?

The other option id you have any small paved or concreted area would be to use a bolt down anchor maybe, and when you leave the property, just unbolt it and leave the threaded part of the anchor flush with the ground, or even tap it down further if the hole is deep enough and work a bit of cement into the hole to hide it?
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A quick Google tells me that concrete weighs roughly 2.4kg per litre.

So, this patio planter: https://www.homebase.co.uk/en/homebaseuk/regency-square-planter---black-712014 holds around 30l and when full will weigh 72kg.

My idea instead of, or in addition to a D lock is a kettlebell. The handle is MUCH thicker than a D lock, although more expensive, will add even more weight to the item.

A 20kg kettlebell is £30. https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B000RGO3UU/

So that planter filled with concrete and a kettlebell would weigh 92 kilos. That's heavy. Yes, 2 or even 1 person could move it, but, when chained to a bike? , and it would be a very odd shape to lift - a small heavy cube won't roll for example.

You could even buy some cheap weightlifting plates off ebay too to stick in the bottom and easily get that small tub well over 100kg.

£4.99 for the tub
£30 kettlebell
£10 for 2 big bags of concrete (?)

Under 50 for the whole thing.
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PostPosted: 10:50 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A small profile water butt at 100L

https://www.homebase.co.uk/en/homebaseuk/slimline-water-butt-kit---100l-013276

at 2.4kg/litre, you're looking at just under 1/4 of a tonne of concrete.

72kg can be moved with a little swearing. 1/4 of a tonne is a whole different game.

I would concrete a metre of this into the bottom of the tub

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16-mm-x-102mm-Long-Link-GALVANISED-ANCHOR-CHAIN-LIFTING-BOAT-YACHT-/110955299364?hash=item19d5738224

and leave it in situ, then you just need to carry a big padlock with you to connect your bike to the chain
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Monkey wrote:
72kg can be moved with a little swearing. 1/4 of a tonne is a whole different game.


It can, I know I could lift it, but, with a bike chained up tight against it? Doesn't give much wiggle room?
On the balance of probability would somebody go through the bother of trying to carry a bike with nearly 100kg chained to it? I dunno Thinking

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PostPosted: 13:52 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Monkey wrote:
A small profile water butt at 100L

https://www.homebase.co.uk/en/homebaseuk/slimline-water-butt-kit---100l-013276

at 2.4kg/litre, you're looking at just under 1/4 of a tonne of concrete.

72kg can be moved with a little swearing. 1/4 of a tonne is a whole different game.

I would concrete a metre of this into the bottom of the tub

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16-mm-x-102mm-Long-Link-GALVANISED-ANCHOR-CHAIN-LIFTING-BOAT-YACHT-/110955299364?hash=item19d5738224

and leave it in situ, then you just need to carry a big padlock with you to connect your bike to the chain


What would you do when you come home from work to find the thief has been round cropped the chain off leaving you nothing to put you padlock on?
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about, two big blocks of cement with pipes embedded you can slip another pipe through. The pipes in the concrete could protrude and line up with holes in both the pipe and the through pipe which could accept a padlock. Park the bike between the blocks and pass the pipe through the bikes frame. Essentially trapping the bike in place. I would do a drawing but I can never remember how to post pics.
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The size of the concrete matters little, a thief would cut a chain or a lock before they would carry 50kg of concrete IMO.
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep an eye out when passing building sites you might get a bit of discarded rebar.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:
Northern Monkey wrote:
A small profile water butt at 100L

https://www.homebase.co.uk/en/homebaseuk/slimline-water-butt-kit---100l-013276

at 2.4kg/litre, you're looking at just under 1/4 of a tonne of concrete.

72kg can be moved with a little swearing. 1/4 of a tonne is a whole different game.

I would concrete a metre of this into the bottom of the tub

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/16-mm-x-102mm-Long-Link-GALVANISED-ANCHOR-CHAIN-LIFTING-BOAT-YACHT-/110955299364?hash=item19d5738224

and leave it in situ, then you just need to carry a big padlock with you to connect your bike to the chain


What would you do when you come home from work to find the thief has been round cropped the chain off leaving you nothing to put you padlock on?


Cropped a 16mm chain? 16mm is bigger than most D locks. To cut one you'll need an angle grinder with a cutting disk. There isn't much that will stop against that
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a waste of good concrete.

You're looking at the problem from the wrong angle.

The better solution, surely? Twisted Evil

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PostPosted: 19:18 - 26 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make the loop small enough so that you cannot get a bottle jack under it and pop the loop out of the block.

Closed height of this for example:

https://www.sgs-engineering.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1800x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/9/1/9105a-in-hand.jpg

is 64mm, and with 5T of grunt it may well be able to bust your hoop. Shocked
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