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PostPosted: 11:20 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Today I did hand over monies for a 1997 CBR600F Reply with quote

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And then I took them back again because OW DAMMIT MY BACK. Hurt

It felt like balancing on the bike rather than riding as a part of it.

No shove low down, and just as the power starts to come it I'm at the next roundabout or lights.

Nope, I don't get it. What's the point of these things on the road? Eh?

Will probably get a Superdream now. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, mine felt like an armchair, after getting off an NSR250.
No doubt your Enfield and GS are the armchair comparators.

"What's the point of 'em?" Find a nice, twisty, B road, point and squirt!
Or, give a it handful, dump the clutch and the traffic light GP is yours, wheeeeeeeeeee!

In other news, you have no soul! Wink
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found mine quite comfy. Certainly had a better seat than the plank of wood they use for my Z1000. I really should get one of them corbin seats for it.

They handle well, decent power and very reliable and quite comfy(for most people).
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
Well, mine felt like an armchair, after getting off an NSR250.
No doubt your Enfield and GS are the armchair comparators.

Well, quite. I would wonder what your standard for comfort is. Hard vs soft toecap kicking? Thinking

It just felt bizarre to be all scrunched up and hunched over with my arse waggling in the wind. Why put yourself through that when there's no need or benefit? Getting back on the Nazi Tractor was a genuine relief.


Suntan Sid wrote:
"What's the point of 'em?" Find a nice, twisty, B road, point and squirt!

Granted I only took it round the local dual carriageways roundabouts and general suburbia. But it felt precarious leaning it over when perched on top of it like that.

I knew that it would need revved to make progress, but wasn't prepared for quite how much this means leaving it in low gears and keeping it above 7K. It felt like I was already going faster than I wanted to, just in order to get the buzz of acceleration. Great if you're in the mood, I can see why folk like them for Sunday fundays, but day to day? Seems like a lot of work and a recipe for potato.


Suntan Sid wrote:
Or, give a it handful, dump the clutch and the traffic light GP is yours, wheeeeeeeeeee!

https://youtu.be/vjFeC7g6_40?t=261 Razz


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In other news, you have no soul! Wink

Because I didn't enjoy a Honda. Laughing

Well, I'm glad I tried it, it's all part of weaving life's rich tapestry, with warp threads of disapproval and a weft of delicious, nummy scorn. Drooling
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Re: Today I did hand over monies for a 1997 CBR600F Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
No shove low down, and just as the power starts to come it I'm at the next roundabout or lights.

Nope, I don't get it. What's the point of these things on the road?


Usually Leany-Forwards are fast, thats the point. I had use of Andym's CBR600F for a while and compared to my ZX10R it felt like I was sitting bolt upright.

Although it feels gutless low down, rolling race from 30in first, it'd leave your GS for dead. It's a relation thing, because it feels much faster up top, the low end feels way more underwhelming than it is. As day to day bikes, the sedate nature of being out of the powerband makes them okay until you hit proper sports bike positions where you tend to speed up to get a bit of wind assistance.

If/when the ZX10R gets fixed, you're welcome to a go, to see what a sports bike is really for. The CBR600F is a weird sporty commuter hybrid.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even Wesley Crusher thinks this is ridiculous.

The CBR600F is widely considered to be one of the most comfortable bikes (barring full dress tourers) in existence.
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PostPosted: 13:14 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha-ha


Roger needs a cruiser Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyscooter wrote:
Ha-ha


Roger needs a cruiser Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad


There is only one good option left to you Roger

https://www.rolandsands.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/RSD-Ducati-Diavel-29.jpg

Do it.
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PostPosted: 13:29 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely not pondering a Buell XB9SX now. Whistle

MarJay wrote:
The CBR600F is widely considered to be one of the most comfortable bikes (barring full dress tourers) in existence.

And it was widely considered that geese turned into barnacles over the winter.

Comfort is relative and I found it dreadful compared to a sit-up, much worse than I'd expected based on that common knowledge that it's least aggressive sportsbike. Cramped legs, weight on the wrists, stress on the back: why would you choose to inflict that on yourself?


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rolling race from 30in first, it'd leave your GS for dead.

Oh, sure, when the rush came on it was great, and where it's faster, it'll be way faster. But do you ride around in 1st at 30? A standing start up to the next set of lights or suddenly rolling on when a gap opens up is a much more usual situation for me, day to day.

I don't want to bag on them too much as I think I get why folk like them, but I was genuinely surprised by how much I didn't. And now those damn kids are on my lawn again, playing their music too loud. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Compared to my VFR the CBR is a slightly more.... hmmm.... slouchy riding position, OK the VFR is great for long distances (Glasgow to Chepstow and back wasn't much of an issue, apart from the weather), the CBR has proved it can munch the miles just as well though. Last weekend when I went a run to Oban, it was only after around 250 miles I started to feel the burn on my shoulders.

Your problem is you are around 50 years too old for a sports bike Razz
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PostPosted: 13:40 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


1 Cramped legs, weight on the wrists, stress on the back: why would you choose to inflict that on yourself?


2 But do you ride around in 1st at 30? A standing start up to the next set of lights or suddenly rolling on when a gap opens up is a much more usual situation for me, day to day.


1 You shouldn't have much, if any, weight on your wrists, clamp your knees tighter..... then after a few days you get used to it (might even enjoy it)

2 Yes, yes I do ride around everywhere at 30+ in first, just cause I like the noise (then pop and burble), getting up to 12k rpm then closing the throttle Twisted Evil



How much did you part with? Thinking
Cause I quite like that one
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a 1992 .. the one with the tiger stripes .. there was some issue with the cam chain tensioner .. resolved with a modified gasket and cleaning the tensioner out before re-fitting...
nice bike .. easy to ride .. good handling .. easier riding position than an R1 but not ZZR14 with bar risers fitted... still got a chain & sprocket kit for one in the garage .. only got rid for an R6.. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

andym wrote:
You shouldn't have much, if any, weight on your wrists, clamp your knees tighter..... then after a few days you get used to it (might even enjoy it)

So everyone says, but why would I get used to a bike that I find weird and awkward, rather than going with one that's naturally ergonomic and instantly comfortable?


andym wrote:
Yes, yes I do ride around everywhere at 30+ in first, just cause I like the noise (then pop and burble), getting up to 12k rpm then closing the throttle Twisted Evil

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How much did you part with? Thinking
Cause I quite like that one

£900.

https://www.gumtree.com/p/honda-motorbikes/honda-cbr600f-/1126845222

It was cosmetically quite tatty but mechanically sound. Started easily, idled smoothly, no cam rattle, no smoke. Consumables all appeared good, nothing notchy, slack, worn, dripping or rotting. It went and stopped OK. Oh, I didn't check the lights or electrics though.

Despite it saying fixed price, you could probably get it for less, as the seller's been dicked around on it quite a few times. Another buyer turned up as I got back, but the ad's still up so I guess that was yet another no-sale. Nice girl, looked good in leathers, so there's that at least.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because instant comfort isn't always the best option. A lot of people who ride bolt upright bikes get sore backs from the directness of the suspension pushing them straight up.

The least physiologically taxing seated position is actually leaning quite far back.

Everyone in my street knows that Andy likes to turn up and leave at 30 in first!
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PostPosted: 14:11 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Albigularis wrote:
The least physiologically taxing seated position is actually leaning quite far back.

So, I should get a cruiser? Thinking Wink

Nah, not for me. Sit-up, hands out, feet down, everything just fits into place and is all-day comfortable. I'm starting to think that the Tractor is actually the ideal do-anything bike for me. I'm finding it annoyingly hard to find an excuse to change it.

Although I'ma go out on the Enfield now just for the joy of it, brap brap brap and all that.


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Everyone in my street knows that Andy likes to turn up and leave at 30 in first!

The beginning of a beautiful friendship. Wub
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

At Least you tried one Rog, and can say it's not for you now. But it's all good experience right? Because the steel frame CBR6 was the everymans 600cc sportsbike, does not make it suitable for everyone or what they want in a bike.


As to Andym etc, I disagree with the logic of riding around town at 30mph in 1st gear on such a bike, as all it does is piss people off and I think it's not the smoothest way to ride a bike at all times.

On my J2 Ninja, I used to be in second gear almost down to walking pace a lot of the time, and it would pick up ok around town and do what I wanted without needing to be in first gear unless stationary.

At 30mph for cruising in built up areas you could use 3rd/4000rpm or 4th/3000rpm no problem and it be nice and smooth. Granted you can't expect to reach a national speed limit sign and be at 60mph in the blink of an eye from those speeds, but it was not jerky/snatchy or unridable.

Riding a CB500S I had at the same time for a while, used to feel a fair bit more stronger under 6000rpm, but I bet it was the gearing thing that makes it feel that way, and that the ZX6R engine has more torque everywhere than the CB500 did?
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stevo as b4 wrote:
As to Andym etc, I disagree with the logic of riding around town at 30mph in 1st gear on such a bike, as all it does is piss people off


https://insituscience.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/duh.jpg?w=500&h=350&crop=1

Why else would I do it.....


I mean louder bikes are safer bikes and all that Shifty
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I is Confused Why ever did you want to try a sports bike in the first place? If it was just for the experience, go to a track day, like the Ron Haslam school or something, where you don't use your own bike, and can try one in a more fitting environment to see what they're really about; but it seems you were intent on buying one?

There are plenty of upright bikes these days with at least near sports bike performance and handling, and usually a little more mid range to boot, which make more sense for daily road use. If you could give an idea of what it is you're looking for a bike to do, maybe folks could make some more sensible suggestions for you?
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PostPosted: 14:52 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I already offered to lend him mine.... think the pink put him off though
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one the same age, and it does absolutely everything really well.

It does everything sowell in fact that it leaves me cold and is (still) for sale...
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're hardly extreme Rog.

Stop shortshifting, keep the revs up and it'll fly.
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carvel wrote:
They're hardly extreme Rog.

Well, sure, by definition only a few bikes can be. The nub of my gist is that I found it surprisingly far along the continuum from the sit-ups that I've got used to, especially considering the received wisdom that the CBR600 is a neutral, comfy bike - for a sportsbike.

Not to resort to Ad Populum, but if that's what passes for a comfy position, I can see why sportsbikes sales have tanked in favour of geezermobiles.


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Why ever did you want to try a sports bike in the first place?

Er, to see if I liked it. Now I know that I did not liked it.


chickenstrip wrote:
it seems you were intent on buying one?

Sure, if I liked it. Some folk here spend more than that on a night out. Wink


chickenstrip wrote:
If you could give an idea of what it is you're looking for a bike to do, maybe folks could make some more sensible suggestions for you?

Eh, I'll know what I like when I like it. I might try a Fazer or Hornet and see if I get on with that any better. CB400 might be a candidate, if I can find one locally.
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Albigularis wrote:
The least physiologically taxing seated position is actually leaning quite far back.

So, I should get a cruiser? Thinking Wink

Nah, not for me. Sit-up, hands out, feet down, everything just fits into place and is all-day comfortable. I'm starting to think that the Tractor is actually the ideal do-anything bike for me. I'm finding it annoyingly hard to find an excuse to change it.


How many Diavel photos do I need to post? Laughing

Granted your Reichcycle is good at doing everything, I prefer to find a bike that does specific things very well and I just adapt it for the rest. ZX10R isn't very good at shopping, solution, buy a bigger backpack.

What did you think the CBR would have provided you with that your BMW doesn't?

Also mandatory Street Triple suggestion.
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PostPosted: 16:50 - 22 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Carvel wrote:
They're hardly extreme Rog.

Well, sure, by definition only a few bikes can be. The nub of my gist is that I found it surprisingly far along the continuum from the sit-ups that I've got used to, especially considering the received wisdom that the CBR600 is a neutral, comfy bike - for a sportsbike.

Not to resort to Ad Populum, but if that's what passes for a comfy position, I can see why sportsbikes sales have tanked in favour of geezermobiles.


chickenstrip wrote:
Why ever did you want to try a sports bike in the first place?

Er, to see if I liked it. Now I know that I did not liked it.


chickenstrip wrote:
it seems you were intent on buying one?

Sure, if I liked it. Some folk here spend more than that on a night out. Wink


chickenstrip wrote:
If you could give an idea of what it is you're looking for a bike to do, maybe folks could make some more sensible suggestions for you?

Eh, I'll know what I like when I like it. I might try a Fazer or Hornet and see if I get on with that any better. CB400 might be a candidate, if I can find one locally.


Nope, its still a neutral bike full stop. Your pipe was probably weighing your head down, making it feel more leany-over than it actually is and your slippers must have prevented you operating the gears correctly to truly enjoy it.

CBR600F:

https://i.imgur.com/G2CxS8K.jpg

Same era VFR800, a sportyish tourer, but still a tourer. Higher pegs on the CBR but the forward lean is very similar:

https://i.imgur.com/O83MgP8.jpg

My Daytona, for reference, which is like sitting on a very tall fence

https://i.imgur.com/sZAR6u0.jpg

A Monster might be more you than the Fazer or Hornet Roger. Slow, upright, twin feels fast enough if you don't know any different and quite small and pretty too.
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