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| Suntan Sid |
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 Posted: 21:52 - 29 Aug 2015 Post subject: UnSORNing? |
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Do I need to unSORN my bike if I'm riding it to an MOT?
The Gov website is not particularly clear on the matter, however, on the SORN page this statement pops up, randomly:-
| Quote: | You can only drive an untaxed vehicle on a public road if you’re driving it to or from a licensed station for a pre-arranged MOT, vehicle identity check, or weight or emissions test. |
There is no, context for that statement, it doesn't, actually, say whether or not I need to unSORN, when taking it or an MOT.
With the bike being off the road for three years, there is no remaining MOT left, so I can't tax it, if it doesn't pass the MOT I still can't tax it, the bike is insured.
Do I unSORN only if It passes the MOT or do I unSORN before I take it?
If it fails do I reSORN it, half an hour after I unSORNed it? ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!"  |
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 Ste Not Work Safe

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You unSORN a vehicle by buying VED and you can't do that without an MOT.  |
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How can I tax it if it doesn't have an MOT?
Do I need to unSORN it to ride it to the MOT? ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!"  |
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I don't think there's any such thing as un-sorn'ing. You declare that it is off road by making a SORN declaration. You can't un-declare that because keeping a vehicle without SORN or tax and insurance is an offence in itself. A taxed and insured vehicle needs no SORN.
As for MOT - you can ride to a MOT on a SORN'ed bike so long as it's pre-booked (and you're insured). You can take it away again regardless if it's a pass or fail so long as it's to a place of repair (if it fails). This can be your home. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
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 Posted: 22:33 - 29 Aug 2015 Post subject: Re: UnSORNing? |
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| Suntan Sid wrote: | Do I need to unSORN my bike if I'm riding it to an MOT?
The Gov website is not particularly clear on the matter, however, on the SORN page this statement pops up, randomly:-
| Quote: | You can only drive an untaxed vehicle on a public road if you’re driving it to or from a licensed station for a pre-arranged MOT, vehicle identity check, or weight or emissions test. |
There is no, context for that statement, it doesn't, actually, say whether or not I need to unSORN, when taking it or an MOT.
With the bike being off the road for three years, there is no remaining MOT left, so I can't tax it, if it doesn't pass the MOT I still can't tax it, the bike is insured.
Do I unSORN only if It passes the MOT or do I unSORN before I take it?
If it fails do I reSORN it, half an hour after I unSORNed it? |
AFAIK (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) SORN is only about insurance, not tax. The concept was introduced when they introduced continuous insurance enforcement. I.e., if you have insured it, you've already unSORNed it. (As a separate question, you can ride it untaxed if and only if you are riding to a pre-booked MOT appointment.) |
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You're wrong.
SORN was originally for letting them know you hadn't bought a tax disc, continuous insurance enforcement wasn't introduced until 2011. |
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Of course, you don't actually need to tax a vehicle.
Just so long as you make sure that it keeps failing every pre-booked MOT!
So you can keep it simultaneously off and on the road indefinitely.  ____________________ There's a fine line between integrity |
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There is no offence of using/driving a SORNed vehicle.
If you're on the way to or from a pre-booked MOT, a re-test, or to have remedial work done after failing[*], then the vehicle has to be:
1) Roadworthy.
2) Insured.
That's it. SORN is neither here nor there. If Dibble or anyone else tells you otherwise then, as always, invite them to cite the Statute and section.
Do watch out for a clause in your insurance that says that the vehicle has to have a current MOT. That's a genuine Catch-22. I have ignored it in the past and will likely do so again as I don't believe that it's reasonable if the vehicle is roadworthy and on the way to the MOT station.
[*] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/schedule/2/crossheading/vehicle-testing-etc
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(1) A vehicle is an exempt vehicle [i.e. does not need VED] when it is being used solely for the purpose of—
(a) submitting it (by previous arrangement for a specified time on a specified date) for a compulsory test [i.e. an MOT], or
(b) bringing it away from any such test or check.
(1A) A vehicle is an exempt vehicle when it is being used solely for the purpose of—
(a) taking it (by previous arrangement for a specified time on a specified date) for a relevant re-examination, or
(b) bringing it away from such a re-examination.
3) Where the relevant certificate is refused on a compulsory test of a vehicle or as a result of a relevant re-examination, the vehicle is an exempt vehicle when it is being used solely for the purpose of—
(a) delivering it (by previous arrangement for a specified time on a specified date) at a place where relevant work is to be done on it, or
(b) bringing it away from a place where relevant work has been done on it. |
____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Pete. wrote: | Yeah that's an odd one since the RTA specifically prevents insurers from refusing to honour 3rd party cover on the grounds of a vehicle's condition. |
You and I know that's what some miserable mealy-mouthed bean counter intended to mean, but what I imagine they'd argue is that it's nothing to do with condition, it's just a contractual term about proper paperwork.
There's no strict relationship after all; you can pass an MOT with a bike that's not C&U compliant, or one can become unroadworthy the moment it rides out of the test bay.
Anyway, I don't pay it any heed, I just mention it in the event that Constable Fireblade ever tries to find something to stitch us (dear readers) up with. I'd suggest a robust dismissal along the lines of "balderdash" or if you don't mind really salty language, "poppycock". ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 10 years, 224 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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