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Suntan Sid
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PostPosted: 21:52 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: UnSORNing? Reply with quote

Do I need to unSORN my bike if I'm riding it to an MOT?

The Gov website is not particularly clear on the matter, however, on the SORN page this statement pops up, randomly:-

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You can only drive an untaxed vehicle on a public road if you’re driving it to or from a licensed station for a pre-arranged MOT, vehicle identity check, or weight or emissions test.


There is no, context for that statement, it doesn't, actually, say whether or not I need to unSORN, when taking it or an MOT.

With the bike being off the road for three years, there is no remaining MOT left, so I can't tax it, if it doesn't pass the MOT I still can't tax it, the bike is insured.

Do I unSORN only if It passes the MOT or do I unSORN before I take it?
If it fails do I reSORN it, half an hour after I unSORNed it?
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You unSORN a vehicle by buying VED and you can't do that without an MOT. Wink
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can I tax it if it doesn't have an MOT?

Do I need to unSORN it to ride it to the MOT?
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
How can I tax it if it doesn't have an MOT?

Do I need to unSORN it to ride it to the MOT?


No. You can only tax it after MOT. Trip to the MOT centre is allowed
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
How can I tax it if it doesn't have an MOT?

Do I need to unSORN it to ride it to the MOT?

"You can only drive an untaxed vehicle on a public road if you’re driving it to or from a licensed station for a pre-arranged MOT"

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PostPosted: 22:06 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think there's any such thing as un-sorn'ing. You declare that it is off road by making a SORN declaration. You can't un-declare that because keeping a vehicle without SORN or tax and insurance is an offence in itself. A taxed and insured vehicle needs no SORN.

As for MOT - you can ride to a MOT on a SORN'ed bike so long as it's pre-booked (and you're insured). You can take it away again regardless if it's a pass or fail so long as it's to a place of repair (if it fails). This can be your home.
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
How can I tax it if it doesn't have an MOT?

Do I need to unSORN it to ride it to the MOT?


Major Major would be proud. Laughing

You'll be fine as long as it's a pre-booked MOT. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Re: UnSORNing? Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
Do I need to unSORN my bike if I'm riding it to an MOT?

The Gov website is not particularly clear on the matter, however, on the SORN page this statement pops up, randomly:-

Quote:
You can only drive an untaxed vehicle on a public road if you’re driving it to or from a licensed station for a pre-arranged MOT, vehicle identity check, or weight or emissions test.


There is no, context for that statement, it doesn't, actually, say whether or not I need to unSORN, when taking it or an MOT.

With the bike being off the road for three years, there is no remaining MOT left, so I can't tax it, if it doesn't pass the MOT I still can't tax it, the bike is insured.

Do I unSORN only if It passes the MOT or do I unSORN before I take it?
If it fails do I reSORN it, half an hour after I unSORNed it?


AFAIK (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) SORN is only about insurance, not tax. The concept was introduced when they introduced continuous insurance enforcement. I.e., if you have insured it, you've already unSORNed it. (As a separate question, you can ride it untaxed if and only if you are riding to a pre-booked MOT appointment.)
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Re: UnSORNing? Reply with quote

mauzo wrote:


AFAIK (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) SORN is only about insurance, not tax. The concept was introduced when they introduced continuous insurance enforcement. I.e., if you have insured it, you've already unSORNed it. (As a separate question, you can ride it untaxed if and only if you are riding to a pre-booked MOT appointment.)


SORN is about VED not insurance. You make a SORN declaration to the DVLA not the insurer. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're wrong. Razz

SORN was originally for letting them know you hadn't bought a tax disc, continuous insurance enforcement wasn't introduced until 2011.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 29 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course, you don't actually need to tax a vehicle.
Just so long as you make sure that it keeps failing every pre-booked MOT!

So you can keep it simultaneously off and on the road indefinitely. Dance!
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PostPosted: 08:07 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Few members on here have said it is ok to ride to the testing station pre booked and you may be right ,, I am not saying you are wrong before you all jump on me.

I was interested in a bike that was new ish that had no tax or mot on , so I called the police to see where I stood about taking it to the MOT station..
They told me I had to transport it in a van as it had no tax on...
I take it they was wrong then..
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michelle L wrote:
Few members on here have said it is ok to ride to the testing station pre booked and you may be right ,, I am not saying you are wrong before you all jump on me.

I was interested in a bike that was new ish that had no tax or mot on , so I called the police to see where I stood about taking it to the MOT station..
They told me I had to transport it in a van as it had no tax on...
I take it they was wrong then..


Yes take it - they were wrong.
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PostPosted: 09:31 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sid - phone and book an MOT appointment. That way if you get stopped for no tax - and try to justify it by saying you're on the way to get an MOT - plod can't say oh yeah how many times have we heard that one before. You just say but I really am - ring Smith's Garage and they will confirm that Mr. Suntan has an MOT appointment booked for an hour hence.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Re: UnSORNing? Reply with quote

mauzo wrote:


AFAIK (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong) SORN is only about insurance, not tax. The concept was introduced when they introduced continuous insurance enforcement. I.e., if you have insured it, you've already unSORNed it. (As a separate question, you can ride it untaxed if and only if you are riding to a pre-booked MOT appointment.)


You have to tax it if it is on the road. Sorned is declaring it off the road so not taxed. You could still keep it insured.

The new insurance rule that came about a few years ago was if the insurance expires/cancelled then you must sorn the vehicle and take it off the road. This was to stop people buying cars with 12months tax and driving them with no insurance.

It changed again so now when you sell a vehicle any tax left gets refunded to seller and the new buyer has to tax it again.

I will also add if going for an mot you would need the vehicle insured.
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PostPosted: 10:55 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no offence of using/driving a SORNed vehicle.

If you're on the way to or from a pre-booked MOT, a re-test, or to have remedial work done after failing[*], then the vehicle has to be:

1) Roadworthy.
2) Insured.

That's it. SORN is neither here nor there. If Dibble or anyone else tells you otherwise then, as always, invite them to cite the Statute and section.

Do watch out for a clause in your insurance that says that the vehicle has to have a current MOT. That's a genuine Catch-22. I have ignored it in the past and will likely do so again as I don't believe that it's reasonable if the vehicle is roadworthy and on the way to the MOT station.

[*] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/schedule/2/crossheading/vehicle-testing-etc

That filthy minx VERA wrote:

(1) A vehicle is an exempt vehicle [i.e. does not need VED] when it is being used solely for the purpose of—

(a) submitting it (by previous arrangement for a specified time on a specified date) for a compulsory test [i.e. an MOT], or

(b) bringing it away from any such test or check.

(1A) A vehicle is an exempt vehicle when it is being used solely for the purpose of—

(a) taking it (by previous arrangement for a specified time on a specified date) for a relevant re-examination, or

(b) bringing it away from such a re-examination.

3) Where the relevant certificate is refused on a compulsory test of a vehicle or as a result of a relevant re-examination, the vehicle is an exempt vehicle when it is being used solely for the purpose of—

(a) delivering it (by previous arrangement for a specified time on a specified date) at a place where relevant work is to be done on it, or

(b) bringing it away from a place where relevant work has been done on it.

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PostPosted: 12:33 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Do watch out for a clause in your insurance that says that the vehicle has to have a current MOT. That's a genuine Catch-22. I have ignored it in the past and will likely do so again as I don't believe that it's reasonable if the vehicle is roadworthy and on the way to the MOT station.


Yeah that's an odd one since the RTA specifically prevents insurers from refusing to honour 3rd party cover on the grounds of a vehicle's condition.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
Sid - phone and book an MOT appointment. That way if you get stopped for no tax - and try to justify it by saying you're on the way to get an MOT - plod can't say oh yeah how many times have we heard that one before. You just say but I really am - ring Smith's Garage and they will confirm that Mr. Suntan has an MOT appointment booked for an hour hence.


The MOT was booked on Thursday, all written up in the book.
Unfortunately, I live in an area where bikes come to play at the weekend, so the chances of getting pulled, probably by an unmarked vehicle, are high.

As I said, the bike's insured, so Middle Finger 'em!
No mobile phone, so if plod want to ring to check up they'll have to use their own. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 30 Aug 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
Yeah that's an odd one since the RTA specifically prevents insurers from refusing to honour 3rd party cover on the grounds of a vehicle's condition.

You and I know that's what some miserable mealy-mouthed bean counter intended to mean, but what I imagine they'd argue is that it's nothing to do with condition, it's just a contractual term about proper paperwork.

There's no strict relationship after all; you can pass an MOT with a bike that's not C&U compliant, or one can become unroadworthy the moment it rides out of the test bay.

Anyway, I don't pay it any heed, I just mention it in the event that Constable Fireblade ever tries to find something to stitch us (dear readers) up with. I'd suggest a robust dismissal along the lines of "balderdash" or if you don't mind really salty language, "poppycock".
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