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Albigularis
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PostPosted: 22:42 - 05 Sep 2015    Post subject: Will this buff out? Reply with quote

So, I've been looking at doing up the ZX10R myself. Kawasaki OEM parts - £4758.87. eBay fairing kit and good condition parts - £810.

I really don't want to lose this bike, so I'm sure that when it comes to it, I'll buy it back and fix it up. The biggest portion of that cost is the fuel tank, and that's an unpainted one from the states. They're rocking horse shit to find, and I'll be buggered if I'm paying Kawasaki £1170 for a new one.

I've seen people remove some serious dents from tanks, but I'm wondering if the damage to my tank is even beyond repair? There are definitely no holes in the tank, but I'm worried with the fold that the metal may crack when being bent back? I'm not sure what tanks are made from.

tl;dr is this repairable? Or should I bin it?

https://i.imgur.com/FLVGEgH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0D7nT3H.jpg
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PostPosted: 22:50 - 05 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would look firstly at the frame for damage.
If that is bent or cracked then it's game over for the bike.
Then it would be a frame you would be looking for.
Tank is more or less junk.

You still have wheels on so you could at least check wheel alignment.
And the wheel centre.

The fact that the tank has been crushed suggests a massive load possible headstock/fork damage.

But not simple to evaluate from the comfort of my armchair/settee. Smile
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 05 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

That tank is double triple quadruple creased! I wouldn't fix it... and I crashed my old CBR just as badly back in 2007. Cost me a lot less than I realised though.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 05 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chain's slack and the subframe's bent, (probably)!

Come on BCF, standards need to be maintained.


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PostPosted: 23:27 - 05 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was going to suggest treating it with ACF 50 but...
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 05 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
I would look firstly at the frame for damage.
If that is bent or cracked then it's game over for the bike.
Then it would be a frame you would be looking for.
Tank is more or less junk.

You still have wheels on so you could at least check wheel alignment.
And the wheel centre.

The fact that the tank has been crushed suggests a massive load possible headstock/fork damage.

But not simple to evaluate from the comfort of my armchair/settee. Smile


I've checked the forks and wheel alignment, both are perfect. It's literally all cosmetic damage. I've had it out twice and Andym had it out once, everything feels as normal, it just looks like a modern-day Mad Max effort.

Fairings
Fuel Tank
Rear axle
Rear Axle nut
Air Duct
Upper Cowling Bracket
Mirrors - R
Side Stand
Left Foot Peg
Gear Lever
Bar End Weight - L
Speedometer Glass
Headlight unit Casing

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I'd need to get the measurements and draw up a sketch and see if it would fit, my instinct says no, but with a bit of fiddling with the front mounting screw location (adaptor plate) I don't see why it would be too hard to find one that fit. The problem would be that they wouldn't look right.

Here's my bike pre-accident, you can see the shape of the tank-

https://i.imgur.com/1FK0tXc.jpg

Here's the same year and styling ZX6R C1H. Totally different frame shape for the bottom of the tank Sad

https://i1237.photobucket.com/albums/ff470/norrisSRITURBO/DSC_0009.jpg
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PostPosted: 23:57 - 05 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just doing that now. The 2006 looks like the frame is the same. I know there were steering geometry changes, but I don't think there's anything affecting the actual frame other than the head angle.

https://attach.kawiforums.com/2006/09/27/20060927204217-1-2386.jpg

Just made this up from screenshots of the parts catalogue, 04 vs 06, I reckon it's the same fitment and tank, they've just made it a very slightly less aggressive shape to match the front of the bike. Would take a trained eye to spot mind you.

https://i.imgur.com/Q7OaP8K.png
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PostPosted: 01:20 - 06 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a thought, probably bollox, but with a new tank costing over £1k, how much would a bespoke alloy or plastic tank cost to have made?

How much of the tank is airbox and how much is actual fuel tank?
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PostPosted: 14:24 - 06 Sep 2015    Post subject: Re: Will this buff out? Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
Albigularis wrote:
The biggest portion of that cost is the fuel tank, and that's an unpainted one from the states. They're rocking horse shit to find, and I'll be buggered if I'm paying Kawasaki £1170 for a new one.



Plenty here

https://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=ZX10R&aq=-1&oq=&x=26&y=32&ei=UTF-8&auccat=2084016521

This one looks like it could be blown out easily and it's only 55 knicker:-

https://page19.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x405859638

the one above looks like your best bet though, it seems very cheap Confused


Handy bunch to look through, but I can't find a 2004 among 'em...

That cheap one is from an E8 (09) model, fairing between the tank and seat looks different-

[img]https://cdn.rideapart.com/images/2009_Kawasaki_ZX-10R-3.jpg[/img]

I think I'm stuck to 04-05 and 06-07. There's a practically mint 06 one on ebay UK for £180 odds that I could buy and check for fitment, just need to go beg borrow and steal to find the cash to get it. I'm positive that it's the same tank though, just made with a slightly different process.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 06 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fill tank with water.

Seal tank, place in a large chest freezer.

As the water freezes, the expansion will pop the tank back into shape.

Remove tank, thaw, drain and rinse thoroughly with methylated spirit.

Refit tank to bike, fill and ride.

Pick up a hitchhiking Alyson Hannigan.

Take Alyson Hannigan home for sordid, sweaty holey-trinity sexxxy time.

Wake up.

Realise that dreams hold no sway over cold hard reality.

Buy a replacement tank on eBay.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 06 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
If you keep an eye on that list, it should update itself. Monday GMT, is when most people list new stuff. If you see anything, PM me Thumbs Up


Why, do you speak japanese or live over there? Be handy if you did...
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PostPosted: 00:33 - 07 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
I've been picking stuff up from there for people for a while, it's become like a hobby. I have an agent there that ships stuff over for me. Usually '80s two stoke parts and grey import stuff.


Fair enough, I'll throw you a PM if I see anything on there. I'll likely try and get a hold of this one from the UK. It's cheaper than any of the Japanese ones there and I can arrange a return if for some insane reason it doesn't fit.
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PostPosted: 02:21 - 07 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

There seems to be a few tanks u could have shipped in from over the water... All damaged tbf, but more salvageable than your current tank & the damage/potential messy repairs you undertake on some of the linked tanks I've put in, may just get hidden by a tank cover.

Tank 1
Tank 2
Tank 3

The above + a fairing kit that includes a tank cover, like this one would mean you wouldnt need the tank sprayed either.

And to answer your originally question... I highly doubt that tank will buff out Laughing
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PostPosted: 06:27 - 07 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:


Realise that dreams hold no sway over cold hard reality.



But if you did actually fill the tank with water and put in your freezer it would literally result in cold hard reality.

So there's that.




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PostPosted: 10:27 - 07 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Az wrote:
There seems to be a few tanks u could have shipped in from over the water... All damaged tbf, but more salvageable than your current tank & the damage/potential messy repairs you undertake on some of the linked tanks I've put in, may just get hidden by a tank cover.

Tank 1
Tank 2
Tank 3

The above + a fairing kit that includes a tank cover, like this one would mean you wouldnt need the tank sprayed either.

And to answer your originally question... I highly doubt that tank will buff out Laughing


Not a bad shout. I didn't realise that there were fairing kits with tank covers out there for that model. I think my best option is this:- https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Kawasaki-ZX10-Fuel-Tank-/161798216546?hash=item25abecdb62 and https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WOO-NEW-Arrival-ABS-Bodywork-Fairing-Compatible-to-ZX-10R-04-05-2004-2005-3-/400782720644?hash=item5d5082fe84.

If I get both of those and the colour on the fairing kit is the same as the OEM colour, it should look practically brand new. By the time I spend say £50-100 on a tank/shipping/customs then get it repaired and painted, it would cost well over what that £185 one costs. Granted it's an 06 but I'm still positive it's the same tank.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 07 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bit of googling suggests an 06 tank will fit, seems like ur plan could work. clicky
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PostPosted: 12:45 - 07 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Az wrote:
A bit of googling suggests an 06 tank will fit, seems like ur plan could work. clicky


Awesome, cheers for the link, that's put my mind at ease. I found a few posts suggesting people had done it but I couldn't see anything definitive. Thumbs Up
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