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mpd72 wrote: | ..........Privatising water and rail, ending "austerity" (aka ending ............... |
Well unless he's invented a time machine I believe the tories beat him to it three decades ago!
Anyway, gotta love all the right whingers, gettin' their knickers in a twist about a left wing, conviction politician. Most of em' are going to have to ask their personal PR guru how to spell the word!
In fact the vast majority of suited and booted, on message, PR savvy, lick spittles, masquerading as MPs have never seen nor heard a left wing politician, the country hasn't had more than two since the early seventies.
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I think it's great that Corbyn won the leadership.
People say he couldn't run a country but jesus christ have you seen the rubber-faced morons we've got running the show now? Cameron, Osborne et al are career politicians, they do not give a single flying shit about the needs of society. In fact I don't think they're even aware of what society needs. What's more, they've pretty much just been churned through the school system - Eton, Oxbridge, PPE, Westminster etc. We're essentially being governed by schoolboys, since that's the only experience they've really got. Whereas Corbyn has been in the game for decades, he's been all over the world in support of other causes, he goes to events, protests, etc, all in support of seriously improving things for the people. His heart is 100% in the right place, which is more than can be said of any other politician at the moment. I'm more than willing to give him a chance and would happily see him have a go as PM. |
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Lord Percy wrote: | Whereas Corbyn has been in the game for decades, he's been all over the world in support of other causes, he goes to events, protests, etc, all in support of seriously improving things for the people. |
Yes, his expenses must be truly inspirational.
Achieved two E-grade A levels. Absent the ability to get a job, went 'volunteering'. Leveraged that 'life experience' to steal a university place from someone who'd actually worked at school. To nobody's surprise couldn't hack it, dropped out. Walked into a 'job' as a professional union rep for frock tarts despite having absolutely no relevant qualifications or experience in that industry. And thence into his natural arena, politics, where he's burrowed in like a tick ever since, protesting, whinging and voting solidly against the party that he ostensibly loves.
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1. The deficit should be paid off - but not through spending cuts and not to an "arbitrary" deadline. Instead Corbyn would fund its reduction via higher taxes for the rich and a crackdown on tax avoidance and evasion while tackling "corporate welfare" and tax breaks for companies.
2. Britain's railways should be renationalised.
3. Far more allotments would be good for the UK. He has a plot near his constituency in north London and told the Commons in 2008 that councils and builders "should be doing their best to ensure that every new development includes some allotment space".
4. Talking to militant groups is necessary to win peace in the Middle East. Corbyn faced heavy criticism for using the word "friends" to describe Hamas and Hezbollah. He has responded by saying he had used the term in a "collective way" adding that while he does not agree with either organisation, a peace process means "you have to talk to people with whom you may profoundly disagree".
5. "Quantitative easing for people" could be used to invest in housing, energy, transport and digital projects. Unlike the £375bn issued electronically by the Bank of England between 2009 and 2012 to buy bonds, gilts and other debts, this would be "QE for people instead of banks", Corbyn says.
6. Replacing Trident would be a costly mistake. Corbyn, a long-term CND member, says plans to replace the nuclear missile system should be ditched. He believes the project's £100bn price tag could be better spent "on our national well-being".
7. A National Education Service modelled on the NHS should be established. Under Corbyn, state-funded academies and free schools would be forced to return to local authority control while university tuition fees would be scrapped and replaced with grants. Corbyn would look at ending the charitable status of public schools, although he accepts this would be complicated and might not happen immediately. He reportedly split up with one of his former wives following a disagreement over whether to send their son to a grammar school or a comprehensive. Asked recently if the break-up was over an "an issue of principle", Corbyn told the Guardian newspaper: "I feel very strongly about comprehensive education, yes."
8. Labour should not support air strikes against Islamic State in Syria. Corbyn, who is national chair of the Stop the War Coalition, believes innocent Syrians would suffer and the supply of arms and funds to the Islamic State group should be cut off instead. He opposed military action against the Assad regime in 2013 and was a prominent critic of the invasion of Iraq. His website says he wants to see "illegal wars" replaced with a "foreign policy that prioritises justice and assistance". Asked during a Sky News hustings whether there were any circumstances in which he would deploy UK military forces, Corbyn said: "I'm sure there are some but I can't think of them at the moment."
9. Rent controls should be re-introduced, linking private rents to local earnings, and more council houses should be built. He also believes that council tenants' right to buy their homes should be extended to private sector renters.
14. An arms embargo should be imposed on Israel. Corbyn, who is a patron of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, said in August that Palestinian refugees should be given a "right of return". He supported a boycott of goods produced in Israeli settlements and of Israeli universities that engage in arms research.
18. Energy companies should be under public ownership. He says he would be "much happier" with a "regulated, publicly run service delivering energy supplies". He is "totally opposed" to fracking.
20. A national maximum wage should be introduced to cap the salaries of high earners. He would also introduce a windfall tax on former state assets such as the Royal Bank of Scotland, which he says were privatised too cheaply.
22. Private Finance Initiative deals with the NHS should be ended by using government funds to buy them out. Writing in the Guardian, Corbyn said they were a "mess" that were costing the health service billions.
24. The arms trade should be restricted. Corbyn would like to see the "brilliance and skill of those in the arms industry be converted for peaceful purposes".
Anyone who thinks the way the world and this country are being run right now is sustainable, or even moral, has combined ignorance with burying their head in the sand to a remarkable degree.
The tories are a figurehead/puppet of the 1%, a tiny group of psychopathic maniacs who believe subjugating the other 99% of the human race is a viable way to run a civilisation and all its societies.
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Conservative: Let's tax you to spend on Trident
Labour: Let's tax you to spend on 'national well being'
Where is the option for ''let's scrap trident and with the money we save lower taxes''? One of the things I dislike most about the UK is that whichever party you vote for it all comes back to 'need mo money fo dem programs'; sure they might argue over the finer points of what to spend it on, but the basic idea of 'leaving people the fuck alone to get on with their lives in peace' is completely outside the realm of UK politics.
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smegballs wrote: |
Conservative: Let's tax you to spend on Trident
Labour: Let's tax you to spend on 'national well being'
Where is the option for ''let's scrap trident and with the money we save lower taxes''? One of the things I dislike most about the UK is that whichever party you vote for it all comes back to 'need mo money fo dem programs'; sure they might argue over the finer points of what to spend it on, but the basic idea of 'leaving people the fuck alone to get on with their lives in peace' is completely outside the realm of UK politics.
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Trident costs about £2Bn a year, welfare costs £232Bn a year. |
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mentalboy wrote: | Im-a-Ridah wrote: |
Trident costs about £2Bn a year, welfare costs £232Bn a year. |
Would you suggest we euthanize OAP's, as they account for over £90bn of that figure? |
Yes.
To be fair though you don't need to actively euthanise them, just withholding (free) medication and letting nature take its course would suffice.
Something like 70% of NHS spending is used on people over the age of 65, ie people who have already lived their lives. That's just direct NHS, I dread to think of total care homes, pensions etc etc liability.
I'm not saying do them in, for the time being , and of course if they have the dollar let them pay privately, but 'life at all costs' for people who have already lived their lives is rediculous.
My sister works in an old folks home and the stories are horrible. Like one chap who has a degenerated swallow reflex that means he can't drink water and has to have thickeners added to fluid. This poor fuck is crying out for water but instead is treated like a child and given artificially thickened tea etc. If I ever get to the point of not being able to drink a glass of water I'll be well past the point of shooting.
Or a nice old lady who openly says she is 'waiting to die' in her late 80's, husband long dead, kids all live overseas etc. Yet were she to suffer medical problems health providers would be obliged to resucitate her and provide medical treatment for any problems.
I'm not advocating anything I wouldn't be happy to be subjected to myself. On the contrary I've given orders, dad and sister too, that should I get spazzed up I want my family to do the decent thing and put me out of my misery. |
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mentalboy wrote: | Im-a-Ridah wrote: |
Trident costs about £2Bn a year, welfare costs £232Bn a year. |
Would you suggest we euthanize OAP's, as they account for over £90bn of that figure? |
No, the OAP's have mainly paid into the system during their working age.
It's those who of working age and able to work, but find life on benefits too comfortable, that make up the part of that figure which needs addressing. It's supposed to be a stop gap, not a lifestyle choice. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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smegballs wrote: | mpd72 wrote: |
No, the OAP's have mainly paid into the system during their working age.
It's those who of working age and able to work, but find life on benefits too comfortable, that make up the part of that figure which needs addressing. It's supposed to be a stop gap, not a lifestyle choice. |
Effectively paid in pennies yet receive tens of pounds.
Pensions are a scam. It's not an investment, they merely use the tax income of today to pay today's liabilities. Then you hope there will be enough taxes coming in tomorrow to pay tomorrows liabilities.
Propping up the failing pension/social security system is also a big driver of the immigration you aren't so keen on. The immigrants are pretty much a demographic blood transfusion, injecting some economically active aged folks into the lower part of the population composition graph. Of course just like a blood transfusion, they don't cure the problem, they just buy some time. |
We don't need mass immigration for that, unlike Germany. Our current immigrants are breeding like rabbits, accounting for 30% of UK births.
The current level of immigration in the UK is unsustainable. The current level in Germany is needed to prop up the economy, they have the lowest birth rate in the world right now. ____________________ TZR250 2MA road, TZR250 1KT road, TZR250 2MA race, TDR250, YZF-750R Boost colours.
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"he would break a consensus between the main parties on issues like nationalisation, nuclear weapons, taxation and union laws"
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 8 years, 229 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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