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barmonkey
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Bad experience buying spares from eBay - avoid this seller Reply with quote

I’d like to share my experiences on purchasing spare parts from https://www.bitzforbikes.co.uk/

I own a Suzuki Intruder VS1400 year 1994. I purchased it at 2012. Together we’ve had 35.000 km/s in sun and rain. Recently the bike developed a problem - rear cylinder was not running good. It was either misfiring or running roughly, smelling gas. After ruling out several possible faulties cylinder’s coil appeared to be failed

I purchased a new ignition coil from eBay. Seller was Bitsforbikerz.com. The item arrived within 10 days from order, which is ok.
I opened the parcel and noticed that the coil was some 15-20mm shorter than original. Original bolts that attach the coil to the frame couldn’t be used. “Compatible” means plug-and-play in my vocabulary, apparently the seller has different idea on compatibility. I detached original coil and fitted the spare, connected it and started the bike.

At first idle was ok, then a bit rough, then a lot rough. Rear cylinder start misfiring. Then it died completely. “Oh boy, this is not good!” Turned the bike off. After a while performed spark test on rear cylinder. No spark whatsoever. Front plug was sparking ok. Changing plugs front <> back made no difference.

I noticed that my ICU (ignition control unit) was hot. Turned off the power, detached the ICU and opened it for inspection. Please refer to following pics. Some components of the unit were melted and the smell was awful! An aftermarket replacement for ICU is some 300-350 euros. Saving a few euros on Bitzforbikers’ coil cost me dearly. To say I was angry was an underestimate of the year.
https://s18.postimg.org/llus50kg5/icu_01.jpg

https://s18.postimg.org/ip7r4qemd/icu_02.jpg

Then I measured the resistance from both coils. Front cylinder 4.6 ohms, rear (new) 0.06 ohms (!) with a fractured coil-body. Accepted values are 2-6 ohms according to Clymer service manual. Spark plug cap (with an 0.8mm gap) and the plug were brand new, inside the cap there wasn’t any signs of melting etc. HT wire was good. Primary circuit wires were in good condition with new adapters. Further inspection showed that the body of the coil was fractured. How, this I don’t now. The coil was not mishandled, dropped etc in any way prior to installation.
I contacted the seller late Monday 7th via their web page. The seller states that usually they respond within a day. No response some 24 hrs later. “So much for their next-day-reply -policy”, I thought.

myself wrote:
“Dear Sir/Ma'am
I contacted you 24 hours ago concerning the faulty coil you sold me via eBay. The coil in question burned my ignition unit causing considerable monetary damage. Measuring the coils resistance clearly shows that the unit is faulty, furthermore the body of the coil is fractured.
So far I havent have a reply from you.

Please contact me on this matter asap. The way I see this is that you as the seller are responsible of this damage and I’m entitled to a new coil and either monetary compensation (new aftermarket ICU is some 300-350e) or new working ICU. By denying your responsibility and ignoring my messages you leave me very few options to make things right again.”


Days later a reply:
B4B wrote:
“I'm very sorry to hear about this. Looking at this part we have sold you we have never had this problem with the part. So as a gesture of good will we can send you a replacement part free of charge”


I replied the seller that this weren’t enough, due the damages to the ICU.

After that I presented to box to local electronics repairman. He estimated that the box could be fixed, with a cost of approx. 100 e. I contacted the seller again, suggesting that they would compensate the damage with 100e worth of spare parts, I would have the box fixed and everyone’s happy. No reply whatsoever. Couple of day later the Nth email went without answer also. At this point I wasn’t ready to wait any longer, but proceeded on reclaiming my money back and sharing this sad story to the widest audience possible.

I understand that in mass production sometimes sh*t happens and faulty item passes manufacturer’s inspection. Quote from the coil’s eBay-ad: “Our aftermarket replacement ignition coils are a good quality (well, not this time), direct replacement part (no they are not) and are a cost effective alternative (if you don’t mind extra costs on damages, that is) to often expensive original equipment parts.”
However it’s still the seller’s and/or manufacturer’s responsibility. If someone sells you a faulty item, it must be replaced, with no extra costs. If the faulty item causes considerable damage like in this case, the buyer is just to a reasonable compensation. I would settle for a working coil and a fixed ICU. Bitzforbikers.co.uk obviously don’t share my view.

Even – for arguments sake – if we rule out the coil in question as the “killer” of my ICU, fact remains that Bitzforbikers.co.uk uses false advertising (stating that the part is direct replacement, when its not). They also show a very bad practice on customer relations by either neglecting or replying days later to their customer emails, even though they promise that emails will be replied at latest the next business day.
It’s your money and your choice, but I strongly recommend avoiding this seller. In this case their “good quality product” cost me 100 euros and lots of no-can-ride time.

Safe riding y’all,
jopi, Finland
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MarJay
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry but consequential damage is not going to be covered by their liability. They can replace the item for free, but I doubt they will do much more than that. They have been pretty good compared to a lot of companies I think.

You also might want to be careful about telling people to avoid the seller... just sayin'.
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've bought from them before and had a good experience with a return.

It would be easy task to replace the FET and capacitors and make the board work, cost about 10 quid in parts and an hours time. Paying a professional for repair could easily cost 100+ because skilled labour is extremely expensive - you could easily spend more to have an unskilled mechanic do the job properly in the first place.

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They also show a very bad practice on customer relations by either neglecting or replying days later to their customer emails, even though they promise that emails will be replied at latest the next business day.


Emails are slow, and take a lot of time to reply. They have a phone number clearly visible on site, use it if you want a fast answer.
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bladeblaster
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lessons learnt here.

1) Don't buy cheap after market parts.

2) Cheap parts are often cheap for a reason.

3) Check parts for damage and function before fitting.

4) No one is going to shell out for consequential damages.

5) Don't go to a forum for sympathy.
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd try to keep the slander to a minimum, if I were you. Firstly, if you receive a coil that's not the same shape as the one that you're replacing, that should have been enough for you to phone them and check what's going on, before potentially nuking a part of your bike. As far as I can see it, this was your own fault, because you still willingly fitted a part without cross-checking it at all. I've had something similar where I ordered a set of coils for my GS, which came through a different size - it wasn't the fault of the company that I bought them from, it was the fault of the coil manufacturer - they'd listed their specifications incorrectly, causing the reseller to despatch the wrong goods.

Always double-check things if you're not sure.

Regarding the repairs to your ECU, all I can see from the photos is a single burnt-out MOSFET, which is a cheap component. I'd be a bit more guarded about paying 100 euros for that than I would be annoyed about the coil, since that's largely your own fault.
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Ste
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Re: Bad experience buying spares from eBay - avoid this sell Reply with quote

barmonkey wrote:
I’d like to share my experiences on purchasing spare parts from https://www.bitzforbikes.co.uk/

I own a Suzuki Intruder VS1400 year 1994. I purchased it at 2012. Together we’ve had 35.000 km/s in sun and rain. Recently the bike developed a problem - rear cylinder was not running good. It was either misfiring or running roughly, smelling gas. After ruling out several possible faulties cylinder’s coil appeared to be failed

I purchased a new ignition coil from eBay. Seller was Bitsforbikerz.com. The item arrived within 10 days from order, which is ok.
I opened the parcel and noticed that the coil was some 15-20mm shorter than original. Original bolts that attach the coil to the frame couldn’t be used. “Compatible” means plug-and-play in my vocabulary, apparently the seller has different idea on compatibility. I detached original coil and fitted the spare, connected it and started the bike.

At first idle was ok, then a bit rough, then a lot rough. Rear cylinder start misfiring. Then it died completely. “Oh boy, this is not good!” Turned the bike off. After a while performed spark test on rear cylinder. No spark whatsoever. Front plug was sparking ok. Changing plugs front <> back made no difference.

I noticed that my ICU (ignition control unit) was hot. Turned off the power, detached the ICU and opened it for inspection. Please refer to following pics. Some components of the unit were melted and the smell was awful! An aftermarket replacement for ICU is some 300-350 euros. Saving a few euros on Bitzforbikers’ coil cost me dearly. To say I was angry was an underestimate of the year.
https://s18.postimg.org/llus50kg5/icu_01.jpg

https://s18.postimg.org/ip7r4qemd/icu_02.jpg

Then I measured the resistance from both coils. Front cylinder 4.6 ohms, rear (new) 0.06 ohms (!) with a fractured coil-body. Accepted values are 2-6 ohms according to Clymer service manual. Spark plug cap (with an 0.8mm gap) and the plug were brand new, inside the cap there wasn’t any signs of melting etc. HT wire was good. Primary circuit wires were in good condition with new adapters. Further inspection showed that the body of the coil was fractured. How, this I don’t now. The coil was not mishandled, dropped etc in any way prior to installation.
I contacted the seller late Monday 7th via their web page. The seller states that usually they respond within a day. No response some 24 hrs later. “So much for their next-day-reply -policy”, I thought.

myself wrote:
“Dear Sir/Ma'am
I contacted you 24 hours ago concerning the faulty coil you sold me via eBay. The coil in question burned my ignition unit causing considerable monetary damage. Measuring the coils resistance clearly shows that the unit is faulty, furthermore the body of the coil is fractured.
So far I havent have a reply from you.

Please contact me on this matter asap. The way I see this is that you as the seller are responsible of this damage and I’m entitled to a new coil and either monetary compensation (new aftermarket ICU is some 300-350e) or new working ICU. By denying your responsibility and ignoring my messages you leave me very few options to make things right again.”


Days later a reply:
B4B wrote:
“I'm very sorry to hear about this. Looking at this part we have sold you we have never had this problem with the part. So as a gesture of good will we can send you a replacement part free of charge”


I replied the seller that this weren’t enough, due the damages to the ICU.

After that I presented to box to local electronics repairman. He estimated that the box could be fixed, with a cost of approx. 100 e. I contacted the seller again, suggesting that they would compensate the damage with 100e worth of spare parts, I would have the box fixed and everyone’s happy. No reply whatsoever. Couple of day later the Nth email went without answer also. At this point I wasn’t ready to wait any longer, but proceeded on reclaiming my money back and sharing this sad story to the widest audience possible.

I understand that in mass production sometimes sh*t happens and faulty item passes manufacturer’s inspection. Quote from the coil’s eBay-ad: “Our aftermarket replacement ignition coils are a good quality (well, not this time), direct replacement part (no they are not) and are a cost effective alternative (if you don’t mind extra costs on damages, that is) to often expensive original equipment parts.”
However it’s still the seller’s and/or manufacturer’s responsibility. If someone sells you a faulty item, it must be replaced, with no extra costs. If the faulty item causes considerable damage like in this case, the buyer is just to a reasonable compensation. I would settle for a working coil and a fixed ICU. Bitzforbikers.co.uk obviously don’t share my view.

Even – for arguments sake – if we rule out the coil in question as the “killer” of my ICU, fact remains that Bitzforbikers.co.uk uses false advertising (stating that the part is direct replacement, when its not). They also show a very bad practice on customer relations by either neglecting or replying days later to their customer emails, even though they promise that emails will be replied at latest the next business day.
It’s your money and your choice, but I strongly recommend avoiding this seller. In this case their “good quality product” cost me 100 euros and lots of no-can-ride time.

Safe riding y’all,
jopi, Finland

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PostPosted: 12:43 - 15 Sep 2015    Post subject: Re: Bad experience buying spares from eBay - avoid this sell Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
[QFT-n-lulz]

Have you given them a heads up this thread, or should the BCF Admin do it? Wink
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 16 Sep 2015    Post subject: Re: Bad experience buying spares from eBay - avoid this sell Reply with quote

barmonkey wrote:
...I opened the parcel and noticed that the coil was some 15-20mm shorter than original. Original bolts that attach the coil to the frame couldn’t be used. “Compatible” means plug-and-play in my vocabulary, apparently the seller has different idea on compatibility. I detached original coil and fitted the spare, connected it and started the bike...


So you fitted what was clearly the wrong part and fried your ECU..?

Ooookayyy....
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