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RockandGrohl
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Ground Anchor has come out... My bike's been stolen before! Reply with quote

Hi all,

In 2014 my bike was nicked, ended up in Yorkshire from Worcestershire, so I took the insurance payout and bought a nicer, newer bike that I'm much happier with and fixed up the old ground anchor on a neighbouring parking space (we arranged to swap parking pays so I could use the ground anchor)

Yesterday I noticed that the 18mm chain which I had to absolutely wedge and force through the tiny loop in the ground anchor has mysteriously come out, and the ground anchor is completely loose from the tarmac it was originally fixed to. All my paranoid signs point to someone setting my bike up to be lifted into a van again, so I'm not feeling good about this whether it's a coincidence & corrosion or not.

I'm looking for suggestions on what to do. I suppose in the mean time I can chain it around a lamppost, but I don't own the drive the bike is usually parked on (it's a block of flats) so not sure what I can do vis-à-vis fitting a new ground anchor (also the cost? No idea?)

Anybody got some ideas? I'm tempted to fill a giant bucket with concrete with some rebar hoops through it, haha! Like to see someone lift that onto a van.

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- Chris
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

dont park your bike there its gonna nicked as it looks they have set it up for an easy nick when they return.

try and find somewhere else to park

takes the piss though!
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

woo wrote:
dont park your bike there its gonna nicked as it looks they have set it up for an easy nick when they return.

try and find somewhere else to park

takes the piss though!


Yeah it does look like it's being set up! Though so far they haven't thought to steal the lock whilst the bike is away so maybe it is all a co-incidence.. Although if the lock goes missing I'll be on high alert!!

It's the only place to park my bike. It's an off-road private car park, but that didn't stop my last bike being lifted off or however they nicked it. Will just have to find something to attach it to.

Reckon it's the gyppos with the scrap metal van. They always used to use our car park to turn their van around. The day my bike went missing we didn't see or hear them for weeks, whereas they used to come by nearly every day. When they returned, I watched their van park next to my new bike, and the driver was looking at it through the window, looking at the chain and locks and stuff. Way too dodgy to be normal behaviour. Or maybe I'm just being para!

I need to park it there, but I need to make it nick proof. I doubt anyone will go to HUGE lengths to steal a well-locked CBR 125 in the middle of a very residential area (about 30 windows look directly on to the car parking area so if they want to make a lot of noise they'd really be risking it)

EDIT: Not nick proof, but so time and resource intensive that it isn't an easy job!
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PostPosted: 11:35 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're convinced the ground anchor has been deliberately loosened, get it in the house for tonight.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crappy situation to be in. Sad

Seeing as parking there is your only real option, I'd put two ground anchors in (front and rear) and a couple of disc locks with very loud alarms on them.

If you're going out for a while and leaving the bike, it would be a good idea to bring it indoors, if possible.

Also, if you don't use a cover for your bike, do so in future. Not only will it keep prying eyes off the bike but will keep them off your security devices. For example, I have my cover and chain on in such a way that if anyone tries to lift the cover, it sets off one of the disc alarms. Hopefully this will scare them off before they've got to check what's underneath the cover.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

agreed that's a shituation to be in Sad

my recommendation would be a loud disc lock on both front and rear and as others have said, a bike cover so that if disturbed the alarms it go off (and sit at at a window with a fucking air rifle if you have to Thumbs Up )

Ground anchors don't just loosen (at least as far as im aware).. you'd have to get a crow bar or something underneath and lever it loose.

Any chance you could set up cheap cctv/camera set up pointing at the bike?
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

feel for you mate, i wouldnt be sleeping at night if that was me.

Go with the suggestions above and get plenty of ground locks and some alarms.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharpe2002 wrote:
Ground anchors don't just loosen (at least as far as im aware).. you'd have to get a crow bar or something underneath and lever it loose.

I'd be very disappointed if a ground anchor could be removed so easily.

Unless of course it's made by Oxford.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They could loosen if someone parks their car/van on it while you're out though. Could this have happened?
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
If you're convinced the ground anchor has been deliberately loosened, get it in the house for tonight.


Unfortunately unless my neighbours can tolerate a stinky oily petrol'y bike taking up the entrance hall of the flat, that's not an option Sad
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharpe2002 wrote:
agreed that's a shituation to be in Sad

my recommendation would be a loud disc lock on both front and rear and as others have said, a bike cover so that if disturbed the alarms it go off (and sit at at a window with a fucking air rifle if you have to Thumbs Up )

Ground anchors don't just loosen (at least as far as im aware).. you'd have to get a crow bar or something underneath and lever it loose.

Any chance you could set up cheap cctv/camera set up pointing at the bike?


When I inspected the ground anchor it seems the sleeve it screws into was very corroded. But still, wouldn't expect it to be broken to bits unless, like you said, someone has taken a crow-bar to it.

I'll look into grabbing a new disc lock. The one I have locks, but the motion sensor is broken. Cheap Kabul shite. That would be a good bet.

I'll look into CCTV sets.
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PostPosted: 15:28 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

RockandGrohl wrote:
I doubt anyone will go to HUGE lengths to steal a well-locked CBR 125

Sounds like they already have.

RockandGrohl wrote:
in the middle of a very residential area (about 30 windows look directly on to the car parking area so if they want to make a lot of noise they'd really be risking it)

Risking what? They've already pulled the anchor. What happened?

Van plates will be false, Dibble won't give a stuff unless you make the mistake of trying to protect your property.

Sorry, this is not comforting but I reckon that bike is gone unless you move it.
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
RockandGrohl wrote:
I doubt anyone will go to HUGE lengths to steal a well-locked CBR 125

Sounds like they already have.

RockandGrohl wrote:
in the middle of a very residential area (about 30 windows look directly on to the car parking area so if they want to make a lot of noise they'd really be risking it)

Risking what? They've already pulled the anchor. What happened?

Van plates will be false, Dibble won't give a stuff unless you make the mistake of trying to protect your property.

Sorry, this is not comforting but I reckon that bike is gone unless you move it.


Yeah that's the scary part. I feel like I have to let them go and steal it, then wait for it to turn up smashed to bits before I can get insurance dough for it.

Last bike turned up over 200 miles away, no license plate, no ignition, steering lock broken. Had to be hot-wired to start it. Kid they caught on it stated "I didn't know it was stolen"


How easy is 18mm chain to cut through with bolt cutters anyway? If I go with rebar hoops sticking through concrete I think that'll be the weakest link.

The lock for the chain is one of those on that sides inside the link. It looks like a yo-yo I guess. There's no way to get at it once it's locked.
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first thought was that somebody might have driven over it, I'd imagine the leverage from a wheel turning on it or maybe a van reversing to turn around or something could be more than enough to loosen the anchor.

That said, why take the risk? I'd chain it to something solid for the meantime if possible and take some time to redo the security measures. Do you have secure parking at work maybe?
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PostPosted: 15:51 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your profile doesn't say where you live, there may be a member close to you who can offer some space on a driveway or something for a couple of nights.
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PostPosted: 16:02 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

RockandGrohl wrote:

How easy is 18mm chain to cut through with bolt cutters anyway? If I go with rebar hoops sticking through concrete I think that'll be the weakest link.


youtube it (your particular chain too). with a decent pair of bolt cutters any chain will take a matter of seconds.. few minutes at a push
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

a Quality 16mm chain or thicker, like the almax or pragmasis will withstand the largest of bolt croppers, and realistically you'd need all day or power tools to get through them.

Above 16mm you'd have trouble even getting the jaws of croppers around the links to cut. And rebar would essentially be almost like putty compared to properly secured anchor whether you sink it in a trough or rain barrel of concrete.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

qubol wrote:
a Quality 16mm chain or thicker, like the almax or pragmasis will withstand the largest of bolt croppers, and realistically you'd need all day or power tools to get through them.

Above 16mm you'd have trouble even getting the jaws of croppers around the links to cut. And rebar would essentially be almost like putty compared to properly secured anchor whether you sink it in a trough or rain barrel of concrete.


If cutting rebar would be like putty, would it be an idea to substitute it for a similar thickness, but shorter massive chain? Thanks.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

sharpe2002 wrote:
RockandGrohl wrote:

How easy is 18mm chain to cut through with bolt cutters anyway? If I go with rebar hoops sticking through concrete I think that'll be the weakest link.


youtube it (your particular chain too). with a decent pair of bolt cutters any chain will take a matter of seconds.. few minutes at a push


You won't really fit a 18mm chain in the teeth of bolt croppers.

Without an anchor it can pop in a van and they can deal with the chain later on in their own time and space.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just picking up on this

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ground anchor is completely loose from the tarmac


Isn't Tarmac soft? Surely it's not the best material to attach a group did anchor to?
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you still have the ground anchor get down to your local builders merchants tomorrow and get some cement resin. It's a two part compound that mixes together and goes off really hard. If your trying to pull the anchor out with that in the holes you will end up pulling a large amount of the floor out with it (if your using a vehicle to pull it with) it goes off in minutes and is solid in an hour or two. Then gear up on alarms and disc locks if you still feel the need too.
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PostPosted: 23:17 - 25 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Second all the above advice, however if your going to get an alarmed disc lock steer clear of the oxford ones, get as good as you can afford.
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PostPosted: 06:41 - 26 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can recommend the Abus Detecto 7000 RS3 for an alarmed disk lock. Only goes off if you attack the lock or actually move the wheel, none of that 'oh dear a mouse farted near my bike in the middle of the night and now the alarm is going off for the seventieth time'.
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PostPosted: 07:01 - 26 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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