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PostPosted: 13:47 - 19 Sep 2015    Post subject: Air rifle scopes Reply with quote

i bought a Gamo .22 air rifle with scope a while back. It's ok, but I find the scope hard to use as in small field of view and difficulty seeing clearly.

Ok, it's probably me but what scope would you shooting people recommend for my gun. 11mm mount.

Laser dot so I can feel like an American sniper and actually hit anything? Embarassed

Nothing too expensive as its only a bit of fun reducing the local rat population.

The sights I have are 4x32 and came with the gun. Gamo's own.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gamo%20varmint%20stalker%20barricade&newwindow=1&gws_rd=ssl
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 19 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in my field-target air rifle shooting days I used a Tasco 4-9 * 50 parallax adjustable scope. I won a fair number of trophies so they can't be too bad. Not expensive either.
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 19 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tasco are not what they used to be.

Nikko Stirling Mountmaster are a good budget scope for £20-£30.
Hawke are, in my opinion, better but about a tenner more.
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PostPosted: 17:28 - 19 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nikko Sterling do decent quality scopes, and not wholly expensive prices.


This^
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PostPosted: 17:37 - 19 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nikko Sterling or Simmons. Try Airgunbbs / Airgun forum etc for second hand ones.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 20 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're ratting, it's probably at fairly short range, in poor light. So you'll likely need a scope that will focus down to 10 yards or less and has the biggest front lens you can find, given the focus requirement.

Or make yourself a nightsight for about £35 - it does feel like cheating, though Wink
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 20 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is the same as telescopes and binoculars.
It depends on your age. Shocked

Pupil Dilation affects how the amount of light your eyes can see.

The older you are the less you pupil can dilate.

https://www.cruxis.com/scope/limitingmagnitude.htm
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 20 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Iglesias wrote:
Nikko Sterling do decent quality scopes, and not wholly expensive prices.


Agree. Quite good scopes.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 20 Sep 2015    Post subject: Re: Air rifle scopes Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
i bought a Gamo .22 air rifle with scope a while back. It's ok, but I find the scope hard to use as in small field of view and difficulty seeing clearly.

Ok, it's probably me but what scope would you shooting people recommend for my gun. 11mm mount.

Laser dot so I can feel like an American sniper and actually hit anything? Embarassed

Nothing too expensive as its only a bit of fun reducing the local rat population.

The sights I have are 4x32 and came with the gun. Gamo's own.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gamo%20varmint%20stalker%20barricade&newwindow=1&gws_rd=ssl


Hoolyoh and Black spaniel don't know noffing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_pupil

If you have bother seeing stuff through a telescope it may be the telescope magnification is no good for your eye's physical abilities.

If you read how lens systems work you may understand what it means.

But if you have potato eyes you will be blind to the facts.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 20 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
It is the same as telescopes and binoculars.
It depends on your age. Shocked

Pupil Dilation affects how the amount of light your eyes can see.

The older you are the less your pupils can dilate.

https://www.cruxis.com/scope/limitingmagnitude.htm


This is correct^.......... all my scopes are now 3-9 x 50 to get the extra light.
Also the higher the magnification, the harder it is to eliminate crosshair wobble.

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PostPosted: 21:11 - 20 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
MCN wrote:
It is the same as telescopes and binoculars.
It depends on your age. Shocked

Pupil Dilation affects how the amount of light your eyes can see.

The older you are the less your pupils can dilate.

https://www.cruxis.com/scope/limitingmagnitude.htm


This is correct^.......... all my scopes are now 3-9 x 50 to get the extra light.
Also the higher the magnification, the harder it is to eliminate crosshair wobble.

just my Penny Coin Penny Coin Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 23:47 - 20 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

People have also mentioned the paralax.

If it's set too far away (and many scopes are set up for use with rifles, not air rifles), you will have difficulty focusing on the target and reticule. Almost certainly an issue with any over the counter sight at ratting ranges.

I believe it can be reset.


However, I'd be rocking either traditional open sights or a reflex sight for ratting.

Reflex sights are used with both eyes open for maximum light. They are also very quick to align on target. Intuative. Feels like you're using a laser sight but the red dot is actually being shone back into your eye with a focus correction so it appears to be on the target. Like a head-up-display. It's all very top-gun but great for ratting. Also cheap.
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PostPosted: 05:23 - 21 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always liked the Tasco/simmons 1.5-5x20 scope for air rifles as it covers all likely airgun magnification needs and is more all round useful than a red dot or irons.

This thing seems similar.

https://www.uttings.co.uk/p117282-bsa-advanced-1-4x24-ir-g430-rifle-scope-30mm-532-ad1424irg430/#.Vf-GLPlVhBc
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PostPosted: 11:53 - 21 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Use a reflex for ratting. A scope on a legal-power rifle is pretty much a waste of money when you consider the relatively small zone over which it's accurate.
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 21 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
People have also mentioned the paralax.

If it's set too far away (and many scopes are set up for use with rifles, not air rifles), you will have difficulty focusing on the target and reticule. Almost certainly an issue with any over the counter sight at ratting ranges.

I believe it can be reset.


You set your own approximate parallax by loosely fitting the scope on the rifle's dovetail rails, placing your cheek on the cheek piece of the stock then sliding the scope until you're happy.


stinkwheel wrote:
Reflex sights are used with both eyes open for maximum light.


I always shoot with both eyes open when using scopes.
You just prioritise your vision to the eye looking through the scope.
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PostPosted: 14:12 - 22 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

recman wrote:


You set your own approximate parallax by loosely fitting the scope on the rifle's dovetail rails, placing your cheek on the cheek piece of the stock then sliding the scope until you're happy.



that is not correct, moving the scope on the rail until it suits your own particular vision is called eye-relief .
That is the distance between the rear lens/bell and your eye.

If that bell is to far or to near, your wont get a focused picture .

Parallax is the range/distance that objects stay in focus.
For example on a good scope, you will be able to look through it and see objects that are at different distances away, but both are still in focus.

ie the target 35 yards away and the post 20 yards away.
What you get is a bigger/rounder picture and not a flat image that will have blurry bits in it.
This is more of an issue the higher the magnification or the longer the distance you are looking.
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PostPosted: 15:06 - 22 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, my mistake. Embarassed
Eye relief adjustment is what I described, you are quite correct.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 22 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
recman wrote:


You set your own approximate parallax by loosely fitting the scope on the rifle's dovetail rails, placing your cheek on the cheek piece of the stock then sliding the scope until you're happy.



that is not correct, moving the scope on the rail until it suits your own particular vision is called eye-relief .
That is the distance between the rear lens/bell and your eye.

If that bell is to far or to near, your wont get a focused picture .

Parallax is the range/distance that objects stay in focus.
For example on a good scope, you will be able to look through it and see objects that are at different distances away, but both are still in focus.

ie the target 35 yards away and the post 20 yards away.
What you get is a bigger/rounder picture and not a flat image that will have blurry bits in it.
This is more of an issue the higher the magnification or the longer the distance you are looking.


That is Depth of Field. Which is the range of a lens system where the object remains 'in focus'. Anything in front of or behind that range is blurred.



Parallax is where the object in focus can appear to be in different positions depending on the point it is viewed from.

I think I became Parallaxed on Friday night from too many sherbets.
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PostPosted: 18:33 - 22 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm? ok?
However with telescopic sights, your point of focus will always be the centre of the crosshairs, and parallax will/can/does affect your depth of field/quality of image/crispness of focus.

quote[\I think I became Parallaxed on Friday night from too many sherbets./]

Sad Fat chance of that happening here Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 22 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't parallax what you get when you dip a stick in water and it seems to bend?
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 22 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Isn't parallax what you get when you dip a stick in water and it seems to bend?


Light refraction, endless fun.
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 23 Sep 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you been into Willards in New Bradwell? Found them to be pretty switched on.

Last time I was in there he had a decent range of scopes. Would at least give you the chance to look at a few even if you don't buy.
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 10 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just finished a days ratting and bunny potting with the scope I got off recman. Excellent scope, a Hawke Sport HD 3-9x4, and easier for my eyes than the one I had before. Thumbs Up
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