new consultation to change CBT

[Val]

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/modernising-compulsory-basic-training-courses-for-motorcyclists

I have an idea: how about removing CBT and making actual training better and easier for new riders?

The point I am trying to make is that it will be much better to scarp CBT and to make the license test easier.

For example how about letting people train on their own, the same way you do not need an instructor and car hire if you train for car test.

Surely the main reason why the number of people getting license is the fact you cannot train yourself with your own bike. Nothing to do with Europe or 3DLD.

The whole instructor training thing is just money collection scam.

At the moment they let you ride after CBT anywhere you want, but then if you want to train yourself on a bigger bike alone, somehow you should pay extortionate ammounts of money to somebody to follow you and do funny comments.

Like you cannot do that yourself.

Given the fact the the bigger 600cc bike is actually much safer then 125cc and with better brakes for sure.

Boohoo bigger bikes I am scared now
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[wr6133]

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=300688

[TheWrightGuy]

[Andy_Pagin]

[TheWrightGuy]

[andyscooter]

No they can't they can make you come back for more training

CBT stands for compulsory basic training
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[Copycat73]

originally when the new test came in 1983 the CBT was followed by a test which is where I think the confusion has its roots....
later the on road element was referred to as an assessment of ridin skills to a standard to let loose wit a DL196 ..

no skill = no DL196

no doubt tef. or someone else will correct me in this ...
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[TheWrightGuy]

The day I did my CBT they told a guy that he wasn't good enough. He was terrible. Whatever, Pass/Fail is not the point of this discussion!
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[dave666]

[Andy_Pagin]

[Thorn]

[dave666]

[lihp]

[Andy_Pagin]

FIFY

[Copycat73]

[CaNsA]

[ScaredyCat]

I disagree with removing the CBT and forcing full tests on everyone. It's bollocks. I did my CBT then spent some time riding around on it getting used to what riding a bike was like. It was useful

It's already been made harder for 'yoofs' to ride any bike, why do you want to make it even harder.

I love it when people who've used the system as was come along and effectively say

"Ahh yes, but I'm sensible other people will all die if they try the same. I'm special"

Questions to ask yourself:

1) What was the CBT like when you did it, if it existed.
2) If it existed and you did it, then later went on to do your tests, did you die in the period between your CBT and passing?


Anyway, the CBT wont be going away there are far too many people to lazy to pick up their own pizza they want some poor sod to bring it to them on a dodgy ped.
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[Copycat73]

[Thorn]

[ScaredyCat]

[CaNsA]

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[Nemo]

Test or not a test, as soon as you pass it you can drive like as much a Cunt as you want (until you get caught), however hard they make it.
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[Pigeon]

I abused the spirit of the system in that I did 4 CBT's....although only did 8 weeks of the 4th before getting license.

But bumbling about on 100's and 125's meant I managed to save money from my pathetic salary. It was a huge advantage riding small bikes to me.

However, I could (and should) have done a 125 test.....actually I did, and failed in 1997. But should have passed than keep doing CBTs.

So I can appreciate people who want to stick on small bikes, I can appreciate people think there should be a limit to the time you can spend on L-Plates. If they go down that route, they could bump the life of DL196 back to 3 years from 2. Then say after 3 years, you can't retake for 1 year.

In terms of content on the CBT. I thought it was pretty intensive (given many people won't know much/anything before turning up).
Being hit with so much info and skills in 1 day melts the mind a bit.

Bikes can be dangerous, 14.6bhp is probably enough for your average 17yr old. But lets me honest, it's quite restrictive. Yes 60mph is possible, but they are damn slow, perfect for allowing your brain to process information from the road surely. So I don't buy the idea that L-Plates should not be allowed on the road.

Bikes can be cheap transport, what's the point of making them unattainable and extremely expensive. People just won't bother.

If the stats are to be believed. Prior to 1990, per year:
40,000 riders injured
692 killed

By 1998:
23,000 injured
462 killed

OK, general improvements in road design, vehicle safety etc But also, more people on the road too. So seems that CBT might have made a significant difference. And wasn't that after all the idea. CBT is not a magic bullet, it's just doing something reasonable to try and improve things.

So I think, sure, tweak where their is consensus from people in the know. But don't go and totally change the system that on the face of it, seems to do good.

[Ben90]

Nout wrong with the CBT. People say it's too easy but if a 17 year old wanted to drive a Lamborghini on the roads all they'd legally need to have is half-decent eyesight, thirty-four great British Ponds to hand over and a fellow human being with a driving license to sit with them and boom, provisional entitlement forever.

I'd say the CBT route is a more practical system overall. Once entitled you can ride to work/college on your own every day whenever you want, something you couldn't do with a car unless you have someone on standby to sit in the passenger seat every. Single. Time.

Let's face it, motorbikes are fucking cool. Everyone wants to ride one. I'm just not convinced that the training/testing system, although tedious, is a real reason fewer people are getting their leg over. Cars are inherently safer, far more practical and can be used all year round without issue by even the biggest of Wendys.

I'm sure there was a time when bikes were significantly cheaper and easier to buy and run, nowadays I imagine there are only a handful of members on here without a B category on their license.

Limiting/removing the CBT validity period would be a good way to get people trained and licensed.

/tef
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