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PostPosted: 15:32 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Cut-out switch or key? Reply with quote

Probably a stupid question, but whats the difference in switching off the engine using the switch versus turning the key?

I've read differences of opinion online. I usually turn my off using the switch then take the key out. Is it pointless or beneficial?
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PostPosted: 15:34 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Cut-out switch or key? Reply with quote

thehairysmiter wrote:
Probably a stupid question, but whats the difference in switching off the engine using the switch versus turning the key?

I've read differences of opinion online. I usually turn my off using the switch then take the key out. Is it pointless or beneficial?


Some kill switches are only designed to be used a few times, so I've always turned off the ignition using the key personally.
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Re: Cut-out switch or key? Reply with quote

thehairysmiter wrote:
Probably a stupid question, but whats the difference in switching off the engine using the switch versus turning the key?

I've read differences of opinion online. I usually turn my off using the switch then take the key out. Is it pointless or beneficial?


The kill switch is redundant as your are turning off the key anyway, just more wear to a component that will strand you if it fails.
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PostPosted: 16:08 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Key, kill switches can fail if overused.
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kill switches are located near the riders hand for quickly stopping the engine.
Sometimes in the event of an emergency, but sometimes for convenience if say you still want
to use the lights indicators and stuff.
The ignition switch is the main power switch and in most cases turns on/off all power to the bike.

there are two main types
1
12v ignition bikes use the switches in series so ignition on and and kill switch closed (Run) allows
power to the ignition and the engine to run and vice versa.
2
Many AC CDI powered bikes have the switches open to run and stop the motor by shorting source coil output to ground
so the igntion and kill switches are in parallel where either can do this.

the switches on DC CDI bikes will probably work as in case 1.

Which one to use?
It's up to you depending on circumstances.
'You re not supposed to' or 'it might wear out' is nonsense as long as the switch equipment
is fit for purpose.
If your bikes got a cheap shit kill switch, it probably has cheap shit ignition switch too.
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PostPosted: 16:28 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I use the kill switch I can keep the lights on in the garage, however I kill the engine with the decompressor Smile
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seen a lot more failed ignition barrels than kill switches ☺.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The myth that a kill switch is best left alone is dangerous bollocks. If you never use it, it's more likely to corrode, and when you or a passer-by really need it after an accident it won't work. MarJay, where did you get the idea that some kill switches are designed to give up? Are they built to different quality standards than an indicator switch which is used thousands of times a year?
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

always just use the key, not for any particular reason, just seems logical.
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undinist wrote:
The myth that a kill switch is best left alone is dangerous bollocks. If you never use it, it's more likely to corrode, and when you or a passer-by really need it after an accident it won't work. MarJay, where did you get the idea that some kill switches are designed to give up? Are they built to different quality standards than an indicator switch which is used thousands of times a year?


I was told that on my CBT, my very first day of riding. I did learn on a Yamaha SR125, but I was told the kill switch on that bike would wear out after only a few uses. I'd imagine that the CBT instructor had seen it before, and therefore it's not unreasonable to assume that kill switches wear.
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PostPosted: 17:03 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd assume it's Tefanecdotal bollocks.


The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
however I kill the engine with the decompressor Smile

Is that an AVL? Anecdotally bollocks, the valve-lifter mechanism is fragile on that model and so we get to choose between wrecking the sprag or wrecking the 'decompressor'. Whistle

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PostPosted: 17:05 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always killswitch, such backfire, very pop.
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PostPosted: 17:13 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always the key.

No practical reason other than a vague belief that the kill switch is an emergency device and the side-stand switch (soon to be removed) is a safety device ... whereas the purpose of the ignition switch is to switch the ignition.

I've been told that it's kinder to an engine to stop it by fuel exhaustion rather than removing ignition but that might just be for aero engines and isn't really an option.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

kill switch for me
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I was told that on my CBT, my very first day of riding.


Some instructors teach the opposite, for the corroded-switch-danger reason I mentioned. But a little ACF50 resolves that issue. And I suppose it will never be a problem for the majority of bikers because they don't buy old bikes. My BM is 21 years old and corroded electrics are something to think about.
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was also taught "killswitch only in emergencies" and being a car driver I always tended to use the key anyway. However now I tend to use the killswitch, largely because I have an alarm/immobiliser and when I switch the ignition off the clock is ticking before it arms. So I stop the engine with the kill switch and then manouevre and faff at my leisure, then take the key out when I am going to walk away from the bike.

Oh how I laugh when I go to start it the next time and nothing happens.

Every.

Fucking.

Time.

Doh!
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely they're all just switches, so whichever you use most, wears out first? Never worn any out myself though. I usually use the key to switch off, always have done.
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard this whole kill switch thing too and when you stop and think about it..it don't make no sense. Tuning the key or hitting the kill switch how is it any different?

I've been flicking the kill switch for years and it's been fine. One benefit is it switches off the engine but the headlight stays on so I can see the garage lock late at night.
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
however I kill the engine with the decompressor Smile

Is that an AVL? Anecdotally bollocks, the valve-lifter mechanism is fragile on that model and so we get to choose between wrecking the sprag or wrecking the 'decompressor'. Whistle


Aye, AVL. The valve lifter is easier to get at and repair than the sprag Smile
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
I was also taught "killswitch only in emergencies" and being a car driver I always tended to use the key anyway. However now I tend to use the killswitch, largely because I have an alarm/immobiliser and when I switch the ignition off the clock is ticking before it arms. So I stop the engine with the kill switch and then manouevre and faff at my leisure, then take the key out when I am going to walk away from the bike.

Oh how I laugh when I go to start it the next time and nothing happens.

Every.

Fucking.

Time.

Doh!


I think that's were my habit of using the kill switch came from. Hit kill switch, off bike, disc lock on then key out or your racing the clock to lock the thing.

Petrol stations were a pain as I would have to press the button on the key fob to switch off the motion detector but it didn't work very well so had to press it like 10 times. Then when I came back to the bike pressing the stupid button repeatedly until it dis-armed again.
This is with a new battery in key fob so just a crappy alarm.

Then I had a few times when it just went off when it felt like it.

Got the stupid thing removed last year and don't regret it. Only reason I would fit an alarm is if I didn't have a garage and had to park on the street.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

um... neither, I just whack the side stand down when its in gear. In my defence its not my bike its a training school one. If it were mine I like to think I'd use the key but that will probably last about a week Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
If I use the kill switch I can keep the lights on in the garage, however I kill the engine with the decompressor Smile


Wotcha.

I use the decompressor on the Bullet Thumbs Up . . . . the valve lifter on the Guzzi, the B33 and the B31 Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lone-Wolf wrote:
I use the decompressor on the Bullet Thumbs Up . . . . the valve lifter on the Guzzi, the B33 and the B31 Very Happy


Well I put my hand up the exhaust, in through the valve opening at the right time and hold the piston so it can't move.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

wednesday wrote:
um... neither, I just whack the side stand down when its in gear. In my defence its not my bike its a training school one. If it were mine I like to think I'd use the key but that will probably last about a week Laughing


I do that some times as well, bike still works.

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PostPosted: 20:27 - 30 Oct 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just throw the bike down on its side until it stops running. Works for me. Laughing
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