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mpd72 wrote: |
We could go on. If my name was Mohamed and I was suddenly buying a ton of fertiliser and taking flying lessons, I should imagine the powers that be would suddenly become interested in my home and Internet use, just as they already do.
Being a middle aged bloke posting on BCF, I doubt they can be arsed to put the time or effort into researching what parts I bought online for the Campervan conversion this week.
It's hardly Big Brother comrade. Lay off the midget porn and all will be good. |
So if it's all so vague as to not be worth worrying about.... why do they need it?
The normal progression of initial suspicion > application for a warrant based on preliminary evidence > more invasive investigative methods authorised works fine. Invasive methods are available, but they must be authorised first based on facts, which is a pretty reasonable system IMO.
Just like lots of these laws, the actually naughty people just employ countermeasures, whilst normal people end up with dodgy convictions.
Take the obscenity laws, they are for locking up perverts and deviants right? How about the guy that got busted for the "tiger video" and is now labelled a sex-criminal in the eyes of his local community? He got off on appeal, the third appeal (which just shows why you should fight all the way to the top). Got in a bit of a drunken scuffle, and police look through phone. Nothing comes of the scuffle legally but all of a sudden he is now being charged under obscene pornography laws.... |
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Rogerborg wrote: | Ribenapigeon wrote: | You really think they want this power to protect the UK from terrorism or catch peadophiles? |
Er, yes. Yes, I do.
That's not what it will be used for - thanks in part to the performance targets that May "scrapped" in name only - but let's distinguish intention and implementation. |
This is what I think. Yes, they want it to fight terrorism, cyber-espionage (don't forget that one, it's a rapidly growing problem, also with connotations for national security - perhaps even more significant than terrorism) etc, but as we know, governments/police have a tendency to misuse/abuse powers they are given too. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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smegballs wrote: |
So if it's all so vague as to not be worth worrying about.... why do they need it?
The normal progression of initial suspicion > application for a warrant based on preliminary evidence > more invasive investigative methods authorised works fine. Invasive methods are available, but they must be authorised first based on facts, which is a pretty reasonable system IMO.
Just like lots of these laws, the actually naughty people just employ countermeasures, whilst normal people end up with dodgy convictions.
Take the obscenity laws, they are for locking up perverts and deviants right? How about the guy that got busted for the "tiger video" and is now labelled a sex-criminal in the eyes of his local community? He got off on appeal, the third appeal (which just shows why you should fight all the way to the top). Got in a bit of a drunken scuffle, and police look through phone. Nothing comes of the scuffle legally but all of a sudden he is now being charged under obscene pornography laws.... |
The people doing these investigations are detectives, and they are all about their promotions and such, and getting someone for some kind of "sex-criminal" would surely help their prospects!
As you say its extremely hard to protect the privacy and civil liberties of normal people against cops/intel.
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Devices being remotely wiped in police custody
All the data on some of the tablets and phones seized as evidence is being wiped out, remotely, while they are in police custody, the BBC has learned.
Cambridgeshire, Derbyshire, Nottingham and Durham police all told BBC News handsets had been remotely "wiped".
And Dorset police said this had happened to six of the seized devices it had in custody, within one year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29464889 |
Dorset Police don't have a computer crime department. In most cases having remote wipe would help the police if they got there quick enough as they could get Apple to unlock the phone remotely.
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Because it's not people like you or I they are worried about and not us that this change is being made because of.
It's the Mohamed's with a liking for buying weed killer in bulk, that sort of thing. It's the people who give the authorities something worth looking into. |
It's unlikely these powers would have prevented 7/7 or the Lee Rigby attack. Espionage from inside the terrorist community would be the most effective method. |
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I believe that in general, the police don't store phones in such places.
Once it's been wiped, there isn't anything on the phone for Apple or anyone else to unlock. Game over for the police. |
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Ste wrote: | I believe that in general, the police don't store phones in such places.
Once it's been wiped, there isn't anything on the phone for Apple or anyone else to unlock. Game over for the police. |
Clearly many police do not store the phones in such places, as evidenced by them being wiped remotely. However this a wide power, and it also includes much more competent investigators such as the people at the National Technical Assistance Centre (NTAC) and GCHQ, and they're far more likely to put the phones into shielded evidence bags! Once it's been wiped is one thing, but look at the sequence of events. They raid you/nick you, take your phone, you go into a custody cell, they contact Apple and unlock the phone and image it, you get released from custody then go home and wipe the phone. |
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Honestly thought this was a thread about Angela Merkel.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 8 years, 177 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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