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Born2bVile
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: First Aid for Motorcyclists Reply with quote

I was looking through some old threads and noticed quite a few on first aid and helmet removal.

St John Ambulance run a course specifically for those who are first on the scene at a motorcycle accident.

It includes training in immobilisation of the rider, dealing with shock and bleeding and basic life support. It also includes methods of helmet removal, including how to use a fantastic piece of kit called a 'Hats Off Helmet Removal Kit.

It's a one day course and costs around £70 plus vat, which includes a basic first aid kit and the 'Hats Off' kit.

I did this course earlier this year, having never done any formal first aid training before. I would highly recommend this to anybody.

For more information contact St Johns on 08700 104950.

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PostPosted: 13:35 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if we could negotiate a group discount?

(thats if anyone else is interested)
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd certainly be very interested in doing it, I do hold a first aid cert that expired in March this year and I wouldn't mind renewing it and it would certainly help if you ever came accross an incident on the road too!

Count me in if you do arrange a group!
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Re: First Aid for Motorcyclists Reply with quote

Cheers.

I contacted St John's Ambulance and the Red Cross recently, after not only being involved in a very serious accident myself, but attending the scene of another quite serious accident (both car).
However, despite asking about 'general' courses, was only given details of work-related courses.

Does anyone know of any first aid courses that are done in evenings / weekends etc?
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did one ages ago with my school but have forgotten a lot of the stuff, could probably still do CPR but not as confident as I was. Look in the local paper or something? They often hold courses like this at town halls and so on, not always run by St Johns ambulance, often just volunteers with the knowledge, could ask someone in the right dept of the council maybe?
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm another one definitely interested in doing the motorcycle course, especially if we get a group (and discount!) together.

Couldn't see anything about it on their website though (https://www.sja.org.uk/ ). Will try giving them a ring on Monday.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

McJamweasel wrote:
I wonder if we could negotiate a group discount? (thats if anyone else is interested)


I'd be up for that.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would definityl be up for that. I did first aid at Scouts Shifty , but i need to know more. You never know when the skills will come in usefull, and not jus for biking either...
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

McJamweasel wrote:
I wonder if we could negotiate a group discount?

(thats if anyone else is interested)


I'd be interested.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Re: First Aid for Motorcyclists Reply with quote

Born2bVile wrote:

St John Ambulance run a course specifically for those who are first on the scene at a motorcycle accident.

It includes training in immobilisation of the rider, dealing with shock and bleeding and basic life support. It also includes methods of helmet removal, including how to use a fantastic piece of kit called a 'Hats Off Helmet Removal Kit.

It's a one day course and costs around £70 plus vat, which includes a basic first aid kit and the 'Hats Off' kit.
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Thats quite interesting. I recently did the 4 day 'first aid at work' course that some of you might have done. We touched briefly on RTAs, and the instructors said that it was extremely dangerous to remove helmets from bikers - to the point where traffic police riders often had stickers on their helmets denying permission for anyone to remove their helmets until fully trained paramedics had assessed them, even if the helmet appeared to be causing respiration problems or suchlike.

That not withstanding, sounds like the course would be extremely useful. If nothing else, I dont doubt that they will show students enough gory pictures to make them think twice about riding recklessly for a bit!
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 14 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep count me in Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Re: First Aid for Motorcyclists Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:

Thats quite interesting. I recently did the 4 day 'first aid at work' course that some of you might have done. We touched briefly on RTAs, and the instructors said that it was extremely dangerous to remove helmets from bikers - to the point where traffic police riders often had stickers on their helmets denying permission for anyone to remove their helmets until fully trained paramedics had assessed them, even if the helmet appeared to be causing respiration problems or suchlike.


It is extremely dangerous. However they may come a point when removal becomes essential. If you don't remove the helmet, they will die.

However, removing a helmet incorrectly can have the same effect. The upper areas of the spine carry the nerves that run the body's motor functions (breathing, heart etc). Damage them and there is no way back.

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That not withstanding, sounds like the course would be extremely useful. If nothing else, I dont doubt that they will show students enough gory pictures to make them think twice about riding recklessly for a bit!


It's a first aid course, not a road safety course. The emphasis is on dealing with the victims of accidents, not in accident prevention.

Cheers,

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PostPosted: 00:38 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate that, I guess as it's only one day, they perhaps wont have the time to go into too much depth on that front.

We were shown quite a few pictures (mostly of self harmers), just to give people an impression of what various conditions and traumas would look like.

With reference to the comments I made on the police helmet stickers, as I understand it, they were more willing to take the risk that an ambulance wouldn't arrive in time to revive them, than that of someone causing them serious spinal injury in an attempt to 'help' them.
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PostPosted: 00:50 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
With reference to the comments I made on the police helmet stickers, as I understand it, they were more willing to take the risk that an ambulance wouldn't arrive in time to revive them, than that of someone causing them serious spinal injury in an attempt to 'help' them.


What the St John's course teaches is the exact method of helmet removal the ambulance crew would use when they got there.

The Hats Off kit makes even that redundant.

Cheers,

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PostPosted: 14:38 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ill be up for any type of first aid course.
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PostPosted: 15:33 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be up for that too, definitely something worthwhile knowing!! Thumbs Up

Also, I'm sure they would honour a group discount if there were more than 10 people doing it!

Getting everyone to a central location could be the tricky bit though, could it not!! Confused
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PostPosted: 17:14 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

We manage to get people to a central location for trackdays, just some people have to travel further than others.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get an hour session to be done in lunch time for each trackday? Razz
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

a friend recently did a first aid course here in Germany and was advised to go ahead and remove helmets. I thought it was only necessary (and advisable) when the 'patient' wasn't breathing
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PostPosted: 22:32 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I thought it was only necessary (and advisable) when the 'patient' wasn't breathing


Indeed unless the 'patient' isn't breathing I would leave the helmet alone. The patient isn't going to thank you if you dive in and paralyse them from the neck down or worse!
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

dibbster wrote:
Indeed unless the 'patient' isn't breathing I would leave the helmet alone. The patient isn't going to thank you if you dive in and paralyse them from the neck down or worse!



Very true. Not easy to tell if an unconscious person is breathing though with their helmet on. But i'd leave well alone in almost all cases.
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not easy to tell if an unconscious person is breathing though with their helmet on.


Chest movement?
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PostPosted: 23:30 - 15 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not easy to see in full leathers/kit at the roadside, when breathing might be shallow anyway. Even with a stripped person it's not always easy to tell. Not arguing, just saying i'd be very cautious.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 16 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

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just saying i'd be very cautious.


Hence the question mark!
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 16 Aug 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, just spoke to the St Johns London branch (020 7258 3456). At the moment it's a new course that they are only piloting in certain parts of the country.

They currently have two dates planned for London, on the Saturdays 11th and 18th September. As they are still piloting the course the cost is only 20quid plus VAT (but no group discount at that price!). There is space on the course for a maximum of 14 people each day, plenty of availability at present.

It's an all day (10am-3pm) thing and will be held at their Islington branch in Friend St.

So, who in and about London is interested and which date?

I am and can do either.
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