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| brierandley wrote: | There is a great mechanic nearby but I think he has to much work on because I can't get him to do it. |
A lot of mechanics wont touch chinky-stuff, even less so older chinky stuff. If folk that bought it, could afford to to pay them, they would't have bought one in the first place....
I'm not a paid mechanic, but I still use that same excuse, when naive optimists without even bus-fare in their pocket, knock on my door hoping that I can turn water-into-wine, and fix a bike that's been tinkered to death, in five minutes, with nay-so-much as a cornflake packet ad a cable tie, and that having done so, be grateful for the price of a pint, for the my trouble!
So when you say.... | brierandley wrote: | youtube videos |
I immediately think, "Oh no, here we go again...WHY the fuck wont any-one PAY the miserly £20 for a fucking Haynes Manual any-more!?!"
When you say.... | brierandley wrote: | I have changed the carburetor |
I get all jiggly, and want to tear my cloths off, and run up the street, waving may arms about, screaming "Help, Save me from the crocodile! The CROCADILE! Its eaten my watch! And I need to get back to Wonder-Land" Like I did last Sunday when the last one knocked on my door..... Honestly, I try not to even LOOK at the bludy things any more, and get folks hopes up!
'Cos, cutting to the chase, you haven't got a clue what's wrong with it. You don't 'really even know what the symptoms you 'think' you are seeing are', and egged on by fucking U-Tube Tutorials, have been prodding and poking the thing, making wild guesses ad optimistic chances, making random replacements HOPING that out of it all 'SOMETHING' you do, 'magically' fixes it.
NOW, when it hasn't you turn to voodoo, and hope that we can magically diagnose the thing with a weejee board, and fix the thing by wi-fi without even the cornflake-packet and cable tie....
IF I had the bike in front of me, I would tell you straight off, that it is probably 'Beyond Economical Repair'.. Scrap, dead-metal, throw it away, buy one that works.
If I were daft enough to take the job on; the FIRST job I'd have would be to tell you to shut up, give me the keys and bugger off, so I could try and work out what was actually 'wrong' for myself, rather than try and de-cypher your half clued up ideas of what you think is wrong, and what you might have made more wrong trying to fix them... That would cost you £15 of a paid mechanic's time! JUST in listening to you try and explain 'the problem'. Onto actually trying to 'find' the problem. Probably an hour of tentative tickling; dong the obvious, checking for spark, compression, and signs of life. £50's worth of paid mechanic time. THEN, looking at what you have done; undoing it, and re-doing it 'properly' and THEN going back to basics, and base-lining the thing doing all the 'routine service' adjustments the thing has never had. I, or a paid mechanic could very easily spend half a day, £150's worth of shop-time, doing no more that actually chase down the REAL fault, and come up with a bug-sheet of what might need to be done to start fixing that.... without adding any parts to the bill, or actually doing any work towards making the bike better....
IF you are lucky, it will be something 'simple' like the tappets were out of adjustment, and you have got an air leak not replacing the gaskets when you fitted new carb, and you MIGHT get the bike back at the end of the day, with a bill for 8 hurs labour and £20's worth of 'bits' by way of gasket paper and un-chewed up nuts ad new cable ties.. About £300's worth.. 'cos THAT is what a paid mechanic has to charge, £30 an hour, in order to pay themselves more than a burger-flipper at McDonalds, pay for thier tools they need to do the work, pay the rent on their work-shop, and keep the tax man happy.
Add that £300 to the dead-weight value of the bike as it stands, and its as 'expensive' as gong shopping for another one that works,so borderline 'BER' even if yo are 'lucky'.
If you're NOT so lucky, then never adjusted tappets, have lead to burned out valves, or the you have knackered rings and bore or something; and THEN, the fix starts t get effoff expensive, with another half day of shop-time t pull the motor out, ad tear it down; more cost for new parts, that could be half an engine, and then a shed-load of time, with the bits on the bench putting them back together in the right order, And another half day putting rebuilt engine back into the frame... Two more days, the bill, just for the labour, is new pushing a grand... before you add the cost of whatever busted bits needed replacing in there....
And now, just on the labour alone, you are into brand-new Lexmoto money, ad it's going to be 'cheaper' to chuck it away and get another.
The 'Problem' isn't that the bike don't work. The 'problem' is that its a 'cheap' chinky bike to begin with, made cheaper by being old and second hand, and it's value is so low, that when anything needs doing to it, cost of paid-mechanic time, means its almost always going to be cheaper to chuck it away and get another, than for them to spend more than an hour changing the oil ad spark-plug.
So, the only way one of these can be saved fro the scrap-heap, is if you DIY your own maintenance and repairs, and NOT value your time at £30+ an hour to do so.. and a dilemah.. if you knew enough to DIY your own repairs, you could be getting paid £30 an hour to do other-peoples, and NOT be scatting about with a falorn-hope Chinky-Bike...
Three options for you:-
1/ Believe me, its dead metal. Put it on Gum-Tree 'Spares or Repairs' and try and get back as much of what you paid for the thing as you can. Add that to what you don't spend pissing in the dark, following U-Tube 'advice'' or paying pad mechanics, and buy another bike that works, as is. Preferably NOT a cheap-chink... learn from this one, and find that bit extra to get something a bit more 'worth-while'.
2/ Believe me, its dead metal! Write it off, but hang onto the scrap. Solve your 'transport needs' in some other way; buy a push-bike, catch the bus; beg-lifts; save up and buy another, working, preferably non-chink, and more 'worthy' motorbike.... A-N-D a Hayes manual... 'cos transport needs sorted by other-means, this dead metal be dead, you cant really make it much deader... so JUST for the learning and the lols, you can piss about the dark to your hearts content, trying to learn something about mechanics and MAYBE make it live again... FOR FUN. And t can be 'fun' if you can remove the 'frustration' caused through the 'imperative' you HAVE to make it work, 'cos you 'need' it to get you to work, or you WANT to ride the damn thing. As a mechano set, a toy, to play spanners 'just for fun'.
3/ I'm Lying. I'm Exaggerated. I'm a miserable old git, who just WONT tell you the 'answer' And who am I to crush your delusions or tell you, you cant have your cake and eat it.... (which is possibly as true as anything else!), So ignore it all, keep cheap-skating, refusing to buy a Haynes, and instead looking at U-Tube and forums and file-sharing for schematics pissing the dark, hoping to chance on some maic spell that will sort it out for tuppance and a toffee wrapper, and random component substitutions when frustration levels exceed cash shortages!
End of the day it's your call, you will do what you think best but them's your choices. Take your pick and pays your money.
If it were me, (I wouldn't have the problem to begin with) But I'd go for option 1.
I have the tools, I have the time, and I enjoy a challenge, and I even have the Haynes Book of Chiky Bikes to get me started, making Option 2 very tempting... BUT.. nah! Still Option 1! If I want a bit of dead-metal to mess with as a 'project', there's plenty of 'more worthy' motorcycles out there to start messing with, than a Cheap-Chink, that is never going to be anything but! I'd flog it to the next naive optimist in the que to mess with, and go get, I don't know? An old ER5 or CB500, or a 600 Diversion or something, that can be picked up as running 'fixer-uppers' for a couple of hundred quid; be no more work, and probably less hassle to sort, ad stand a chance of actually being worth something, as well as being more useful, AND having a heck of a lot more to make any-one grin, if I actually won the battle of the bolts against it! Cant ride an Divvy on an L-Plate? No, you cant, but realistic time-scales for a project like this, IF they ever get 'done', then any-one, even a 17 year old who cant have anything but an A1 licence, is likely to be old enough to ride one, probably without restrictions, even, by the time it ever works!
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