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 Wighty Two Stroke Sniffer

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 Posted: 16:22 - 10 Nov 2015 Post subject: Best A2 Bikes |
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Hi all,
I am planning on getting my A2 license in the early months of next year, (or whenever I can afford it) which means I will be looking at getting a bigger bike so I no longer have to plod along on my 125.
Problem is I don't really know where to start looking since my options are a bit more open than they were when I was looking at 125's (I'm a big guy so everyone directed me towards the Varadero).
So I was hoping you guys may be able to help me out a little.
Some Details:
I'm 6"5, with a fairly large "circumference"
It's hard to pinpoint a budget at the moment but I suspect it will be in the region of £1.5k perhaps stretching to £2k
The bike will be used for 80% Commuting to work (centre of Manchester, 9 miles each way) and 20% Leisure
Thanks in advance  ____________________ Big twat on a 2005 Honda Varadero 125. |
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I'd be thinking of sticking with vaguely adventure-stylee bikes:
Honda Transalp or Africa Twin (although the Africa Twin seems to be edging into the "appreciating modern classic, I know what it's worth, NO TIME WASTERS" market). Surprisingly, the Varadero 1000 might be A2 compliant (depending on which power figures you believe) but they don't run cheap.
Suzuki V-Strom might be do-able in budget. Versys probably not.
Have you considered a TDM?
All of the above need restricted or "restricted" but apart from oddities like the Cagiva Canyon there aren't that many natively A2 bikes around. Even the old F650GS single claimed slightly over 35kW. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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At that budget, I'd be mostly looking at private sales. That said, if you're not trading anything in, you might score a winter bargain at a dealer, but you're always going to be paying their overheads. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Given an actual (and largely mythical) 35kW "net engine power", top speed will be limited by transmission losses and aerodynamics.
"Fastest" might mean most acceleration, but that's down to torque, not power. Honda were making a big thing that the humble 35kW A2-native NC700 would actually spank a (IIRC) Hornet up to legal UK road speeds. The 35kW G650GS I tried also pulled well up to 60 or so.
Buying a revvy IL4 just to chop the top end off of it seems like a curious decision, but perhaps we're talking about "restricted" rather than restricted. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Looks good, decent enough reviews. Though if anyone asks, it's a F650, not a *ahem* "Funduro" ____________________ Big twat on a 2005 Honda Varadero 125. |
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Could be worse, it could be a Scarver. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| wr6133 wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: | Scarver. |
I actually want one. Belt drive, awesome mpg, silly low insurance quotes |
Well, sure, I want one too. A couple of years back, one of them won a real-world fuel economy challenge and that engine in the G650GS does pretty well. Belt drive is of course awesome, I really wish more bikes would use it. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| wr6133 wrote: | | Wighty wrote: |
What's better about belt driven bikes? |
No chain to lube/adjust/curse at. |
They do need adjusting, and accurately, but not as frequently. They're so much cleaner and quieter though. You can lube them with a smear of graphite powder if they get squeaky. The pulleys don't need replaced, only the belt. They last until they let go or start to visibly fray or blister, which can be tens of thousands of miles - I suspect my Gpz305 was on its OEM belt at 25,000+ miles.
Downside is that they can be damaged by pulling debris between the belt and pulley, and they're expensive even compared to a full C&S set, but that's primarily because they're rare and there's no competition in the market.
Apparently you can't buy the belts for BMW direct from the manufacturer. As in, they won't sell them to anyone but BMW because of their contract.
However, when I sold my Gpz, the chap that bought it said his job was repairing industrial machinery, much of it belt driven. He reckoned he could source any belt in any dimensions no problem at all. Not the kevlar re-enforced type used by OEMs but eff it, he sez, for £20 who cares, I'll buy 'em as I need 'em. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike
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Shaft drive is made of win for commuting but its not that common on anything that isn't monstrously powerful. I think at 6'5 you'll look like a bear on a bike on an xv535. No, not that kind of bear. Unless you go with tassles and chaps.
Restrict a deuville? ____________________ Bandit. does. everything. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 10 years, 298 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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